Sharing Ceton InfiniTV Tuners with Client HTPC Systems

Update

Please see our new guide for the official Ceton Network Tuner Wizard which makes the procedure outlined in this guide much simpler and virtually fool-proof.

We have good news, and we have some bad news. The good news is that Ceton has graciously allowed MissingRemote.com to publish a guide to Tuner Sharing with the Ceton InfiniTV beta firmware.  The bad news is that it is still in beta. 

What does that mean to you? Unless you are already part of the beta program you will not be able to utilize the HTPC bliss that is shared Digital Cable tuners. Before anyone starts scouring the Internet for the beta firmware, your InfiniTV serial numbers needs to be registered as part of the beta program for the firmware to install, don’t waste your time.

Assuming the bad news has not completely discouraged you, read on to see what we have in store.

Before I go any further it is important to note that this is a beta firmware.  Not everything will work perfectly and some features may be added or removed before it is released to the public.  Also note that there is no way to revert back to an older firmware so proceed at your own risk.  The beta firmware has worked very well for me but if you are not willing to accept some potential missed recordings or an occasional reboot, do yourself a favor and wait for the production firmware. MissingRemote.com is not responsible for any damage done by this guide to your beloved HTPC…sorry!

For the entirety of the guide I am going under the assumption that you already have the beta firmware installed and have rebooted.  I will make every effort to note areas that I believe will differ from the final firmware and feature set.

Let’s get started. The first portion of the guide will focus on the PC with the InfiniTV physically installed in it–I will refer to it as the Host PC.  The second portion will walk you through any steps needed on Client HTPCs for Media Center to discover and use the InfiniTV. 

Network bridging steps on the Host PC

  1. Open Device Manager and go to the Network Adapters section. You will see your Ceton InfiniTV there. Right click it and select properties.

  2. Update: This step is may not be needed depending on the firmware.

    Go to the "Advanced" tab and select "Support Bridging." On the right side select "Yes" in the drop-down menu and hit OK.

    hostpc-enabled-bridging.jpg

  3. Open the Ceton InfiniTV4 device webpage.  The default IP address is http://192.168.200.1/ but you can also access it under Network in Windows Explorer.

    hostpc-device-webpage.jpg

  4. Under the System tab there is a next section under the MAC Address, is a hyperlink called "Network Settings." 

    ceton-network-setup.jpg

    Clicking the hyperlink will take you to http://192.168.200.1/Services/NetworkSetup.html

  5. By default the InfiniTV will be setup as a DHCP Server.  You will need to uncheck "Default IP Settings (DHCP Server)" for network bridging to work.

  6. You now have to choose between static IP address or enabling the DHCP Client.  Either will work however, I highly suggest static IP address.  Windows 7 does a great job of handling network discovery but why risk network discovery issues or delayed DHCP responses preventing a recording?

    ceton-network-static.jpg

    Note: Unlike Windows the Netmask (aka Subnet Mask) will not automatically update to the appropiate value.  Most users will need to use 255.255.255.0.  I am a 10-net fan myself.

    Please ensure you assign an unused IP address in your network subnet.  I’ll add instructions soon but the easiest thing to do is: 1- Enable DHCP Client; 2- See what IP address was provided; 3- Setup a static IP address using the address used.  Most home users will have an IP address in the 192.168.1.x-192.168.1.255 range.

  7. Click the "Set Network" button. 

    Note: You will lose connectivity to the InfiniTV device webpage and tuners until the rest of the bridging steps are completed.

  8. Go to Start and type in "View Network Connections" to show your network adapters. You should see a "Ceton InfiniTV Network Device" along with your main network device.

  9. Highlight the Ceton InfiniTV Network Device and your primary network card interface, Right Click and select "Bridge Connections."

    network-connections.jpg

    Note: During the bridging process you will lose network connectivity.  If you are connected over Remote Desktop you may no longer be able to connect as the resulting network bridge will have a new IP address.

  10. The result will be a new device called a "Network Bridge."  That is your PC’s primary connection to your network now.  As above, I highly recommend setting up a static IP address on your Network Bridge.  What I don’t lke about the Windows Network Bridge implementation is that Windows will generate a dynamic MAC Address for it.  This prevents us from using Static DHCP to assign a reserved IP address from the DHCP Server.  If you need help configuring a static IP address please let us know in the comments and I’ll help out.

  11. To confirm your Ceton InfiniTV is working properly as a bridged device try accessing the InfiniTV device webpage as shown above in step #3.  The device webpage should be available from any compter on your network.

  12. That completes the Host PC portion of the network bridging setup.

    Note: You will need to run the Client HTPC portion of the setup found below on the Host PC if it will be used as an HTPC. It is not required if you do not plan to use the Host PC as a HTPC.

Steps on the Media Center Client HTPC to find and configure the networked tuners

  1. Download and install "Mikinho’s InfiniTV Network Tuner Config."  You will be able to download the setup from the comments below.

    Note: You you will need to be logged in as a registered user to download the attachment.  Please do not redistribute the tool without my consent.  It should also be considered a beta product.

  2. Once installed run the "InfiniTV Network Tuner Config" via your start menu.  The tool requires administrative rights so if you have UAC enabled (everyone should) you will be prompted to allow the tool to run.  If it is your first time running you will also need to the tool access through the firewall.

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  3. The first thing you will need to do is enable your primary network adapter under the Network Cards tab so Media Center will know to use it for OCUR network tuner discovery.

    network-enabled.jpg

     

  4. Select "Apply" and proceed to the Tuners tab.

    If this is your first time running the tool or you have added or removed an InfiniTV continue on, otherwise skip to step #7.   

  5. Select "OCUR Unregister."  This will take approximately 30 seconds.

    tuners-not-discovered.jpg

  6. Select "OCUR Discovery."  Again the process should take approximately 30 seconds.

    tuners-discovered.jpg

    After that complets you should see the discovered status from each tuner now set to "Yes"

  7. Enable each tuner you want made available to Media Center.  I highly suggest assigning specific tuners per Client HTPC and excluding those from the Host PC.

    tuners-enabled.jpg

  8. Select "OK" and launch Windows Media Center.

  9. You will need to setup the InfiniTV4 the same as your would on the Host PC. This means running (and passing) the Digital Cable Advisor, installing PlayReady, and running through the CableCARD activation screens. If you have previously activated your CableCARD on the Host PC you will NOT need to do it again.

  10. When you run through the Media Center setup you should only see the tuners you enabled in step #7.

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And that is it! Enjoy your network shared InfiniTV tuner. The tool takes care of the firewall exclusions, network interface setting and OCUR discovery tasks.

Also note that the current implementation is not a shared tuner pool. If a Client HTPC attempts to use a tuner from the Host PC pool you will disconnect the tuner from the Host PC and possibly mark it as inactive in the Host PC tuner pool. A future firmware may change this behavior. For now, I highly recommend assigning tuners to a single Client HTPC.

Please leave any comments, questions or feedback on this guide below.

Special thanks to Ceton for involving us in the beta program, and Ylian Saint-Hilaire and Intel for the Developer Tools for UPnP™ Technologies. Makes UPnP development from C# painless.

  • Mike I have a question. My
    Mike I have a question. My ceton Tuner has been ocassionaly disapearing until I restart my PC (This is before I did any of the steps above) which makes Media Center show “Tuner is not available”.

    I was researching network discovery issues when I ran accross this article.

    If the reason my Ceton tuner is disappearing is due to network discovery issues will setting a static IP address possible address this problem?

    • Are you using the beta
      Are you using the beta firmware?

      • Yes I am. I am currently on
        Yes I am. I am currently on the latest Beta Release.

        HW Revision 4447

        Beta FW: 1.0.1.48

        If this topic is not appropriate for comment on this page please let me know and I will send you a pm on here or TGB instead. I am not exactly sure since its related to the article and at the same time its also related to something else.

        • The static IP address does
          The static IP address does help, especially if you use sleep or hibernate as you will get a new IP address.

          But there is also an issue with the beta itself that is being worked on.

          • My HTPC is on 24/7 unless
            My HTPC is on 24/7 unless something goes wrong (Like the tuner disappears in network). I am not even sure its a network discovery problem or a combination with that and something else.

            All I know is that I will come home from work and cant tune any channels or I miss a recording. Then I will check Network in windows and the Tuner will not be there. The only way it seems to come back is restarting windows.

            That’s what made me think that maybe it was disappearing due to some Network discovery/Ceton DHCP server issue.

          • I had that on an earlier beta
            I had that on an earlier beta firmware. How are you case temps?

            What I did before was a script that if the Ceton disappeared it would auto-reboot. I’m sure the final product won’t have the issue.

          • What type of script was it? I
            What type of script was it? I would be very interested in writing something like that for the interim until this issue gets resolved.

            How did you query the status of the Ceton Device for your script (ping or something else) ?

            Oh and last time I checked my case temps were in the 57 Celsius range.

          • I query for the network
            I query for the network interface.

            I’ll send it tonight if interested, just send me a reminder if you don’t get it =)

            If yo install my shutdown plug-in for Media Center it will also give you the option to cancel the reboot from within Media Center if someone happens to be using it.

          • Sweet that will help a ton.
            Sweet that will help a ton. Do you want me to just send you a pm on this site or TGB?

            Where do I find your shutdown plug-in for media center?

            Thanks in advance by the way. 🙂

          • Here, I’m not on TGB that
            Here, I’m not on TGB that much anymore.

            You can download the plugin from http://mikinho.com/wmc/abort-system-shutdown/

          • Where is the “Mikinho’s
            Where is the “Mikinho’s InfiniTV Network Tuner Config” I am logged in but I dont see the tool?

          • DBayPlaya2k3 wrote:Where is
            [quote=DBayPlaya2k3]Where is the “Mikinho’s InfiniTV Network Tuner Config” I am logged in but I dont see the tool?[/quote]

            Guess we missed that one! It’s been resolved now, and the attachment is at the bottom of the post.

            Thanks for the heads up!

  • Let me know if you have any

    Let me know if you have any issues with the tool.  Or feedback.

    • Mike have you had a chance to

      Mike have you had a chance to find tha script to moniter the Ceton?

      • DBayPlaya2k3 wrote:

        Mike

        [quote=DBayPlaya2k3]

        Mike have you had a chance to find tha script to moniter the Ceton?

        [/quote]

         

        I sent it via e-mai last Thursday.  I’ll attach it to this thread.

        • You can send it to me via pm

          You can send it to me via pm if you would like. I dont know if the pm system allows you to attach scripts however.

          • Well if it doesn’t I’ll make

            Well if it doesn’t I’ll make it so it does 🙂

            You’ll need to give me a few hours, I rebuilt my home server over the week getting ready for #HoustonWinMeet and haven’t finished so I’m offline.

          • Yeah I understand that. I

            Yeah I understand that. I plan on eventually trying out Vail on mine its currently running the standard WHS PP3. I love that Vail seems to have better support for Raid (at least in my inital testing).

            Well as always thanks for your help.

  • Will this method negate the

    Will this method negate the need for a media center extender? If I assign a tuner to a PC in the bedroom can I use that tuner to watch tv while using the other tuners on the host pc? Thanks for your time.

    • dpohlma wrote:

      Will this

      [quote=dpohlma]

      Will this method negate the need for a media center extender? If I assign a tuner to a PC in the bedroom can I use that tuner to watch tv while using the other tuners on the host pc? Thanks for your time.

      [/quote]

      Bingo! 🙂 Just remember, if you set a Tuner to your Bedroom, then your Host PC can’t use it…for now

  • That is AWESOME!!!!! Goodbye

    That is AWESOME!!!!! Goodbye extra cable boxes! Now I just need to get my tuner card delivered. I ordered it on 10-8-10. Then the HTPC build can begin.

    • dpohlma wrote:

      That is

      [quote=dpohlma]

      That is AWESOME!!!!! Goodbye extra cable boxes! Now I just need to get my tuner card delivered. I ordered it on 10-8-10. Then the HTPC build can begin.

      [/quote]

      *cough* BUILD LOG in the forums! *cough* Cool

  • I get an error when trying to

    I get an error when trying to extract the files that is invalid.

  • Yeah, the client

    Yeah, the client configuration utility attachment is corrupted.

  • I just tested and it works.
    I just tested and it works. If you are using IE9 beta try a different browser, there is a bug w/ IE9 + attachments.

    • mikinho wrote:
      I just tested

      [quote=mikinho]I just tested and it works. If you are using IE9 beta try a different browser, there is a bug w/ IE9 + attachments.[/quote]

      I just tested with Firefox and it worked. IE8 on 2 different machines failed though.

  • i try to setup the host pc to

    i try to setup the host pc to use only 3 tuners (#1,#2,#3) and reserve #4 for my laptop.  On the host pc, when i re setup the tv signal, it (host pc) still find 4 tuners.  Isn’t suppose to find only 3 instead?

    • ptranluu wrote:i try to setup

      [quote=ptranluu]

      i try to setup the host pc to use only 3 tuners (#1,#2,#3) and reserve #4 for my laptop.  On the host pc, when i re setup the tv signal, it (host pc) still find 4 tuners.  Isn’t suppose to find only 3 instead?

      [/quote]

      It is.  Depending on the timing and whether Media Center setup has been previously configured the disable does not.

      There is an update that fixes it but I have two changes left to make on it before distributing.

      • Ok, good to know. Will wait

        Ok, good to know. Will wait for your update.  Thanks!

        • You could try resetting media

          You could try resetting media center that worked for me but you have to redo your scheduling and stuff. 

  • Love what you’ve done here. 

    Love what you’ve done here.  Thanks for making the configuration tool!  I updated to latest drivers (1.0.1.18) and latest beta FW (1.0.1.49) and things don’t seem to be working so well (incidentally on HW Rev 4374).  I removed my network bridge before updating the FW so I started from scratch.  Renabled the bridge, and all of the tuner sharing settings.  Used your tool to configure tuner sharing (3 on my physical PC with the Ceton card, and 1 for a remote PC) and all went well.  When trying to watch TV however, I keep getting “Weak Signal” errors on the other PC, meaning I think there is tuner contention going on even though I had reallocated the tuners post-SW upgrade (and yes, reran Media Center TV setup).  Also having major problems with Windows Firewall, finally had to turn it off entirely on the physical PC with Ceton card.  In any case doesn’t look like sharing is working, there is tuner contention, even when allocating them via your tool.  Understand that this is all beta, but wanted to provide some feedback 🙂  Feel free to ping me if you want further detail.  Thanks again!

    • smathur wrote:

      Love what

      [quote=smathur]

      Love what you’ve done here.  Thanks for making the configuration tool!  I updated to latest drivers (1.0.1.18) and latest beta FW (1.0.1.49) and things don’t seem to be working so well (incidentally on HW Rev 4374).  I removed my network bridge before updating the FW so I started from scratch.  Renabled the bridge, and all of the tuner sharing settings.  Used your tool to configure tuner sharing (3 on my physical PC with the Ceton card, and 1 for a remote PC) and all went well.  When trying to watch TV however, I keep getting “Weak Signal” errors on the other PC, meaning I think there is tuner contention going on even though I had reallocated the tuners post-SW upgrade (and yes, reran Media Center TV setup).  Also having major problems with Windows Firewall, finally had to turn it off entirely on the physical PC with Ceton card.  In any case doesn’t look like sharing is working, there is tuner contention, even when allocating them via your tool.  Understand that this is all beta, but wanted to provide some feedback 🙂  Feel free to ping me if you want further detail.  Thanks again!

      [/quote]

       

      This is why I turned mine off, it seems that it was giving me the weak siganl error on all the machines. I do have a gigabit network switch and can use 2 extenders at the same time with no problem but the Ceton streaming will not work without it being flaky.

  • A new version of the config

    A new version of the config tool is being tested.  It fixes both issues.

    For now to fix the firewall run the below from an administrative command prompt.

    netsh advfirewall firewall add rule name=”TV Tuner Device (UPnP-In)” dir=In Profile=Private LocalIP=Any RemoteIP=Any Protocol=TCP LocalPort=2869 RemotePort=Any Edge=No action=Allow
    netsh advfirewall firewall add rule name=”TV Tuner Device (SSDP-In)” dir=In Profile=Private LocalIP=Any RemoteIP=Any Protocol=UDP LocalPort=1900 RemotePort=Any Edge=No action=Allow
    netsh advfirewall firewall add rule name=”TV Tuner Device (RTP-In)”dir=In Profile=Private LocalIP=Any RemoteIP=Any Protocol=UDP LocalPort=5001-5016 RemotePort=Any Edge=No action=Allow
    netsh advfirewall firewall add rule name=”TV Tuner Device (WMDRM-Out)” Direction=Out Profile=Private LocalIP=Any RemoteIP=Any Protocol=UDP LocalPort=Any RemotePort=5757-5772 Edge=No Action=Allow
    netsh advfirewall firewall add rule name=”TV Tuner Device (RTSP-Out)” Direction=Out Profile=Private LocalIP=Any RemoteIP=Any Protocol=TCP LocalPort=Any RemotePort=554 Edge=No Action=Allow
    netsh advfirewall firewall add rule name=”TV Tuner Device (UPnP-Out)” Direction=Out Profile=Private LocalIP=Any RemoteIP=Any Protocol=TCP LocalPort=Any RemotePort=2869 Edge=No Action=Allow
    netsh advfirewall firewall add rule name=”TV Tuner Device (SSDP-Out)” Direction=Out Profile=Private LocalIP=Any RemoteIP=Any Protocol=UDP LocalPort=Any RemotePort=1900 Edge=No Action=Allow

    Hope that helps and subscribe to this thread for updates.

    • mikinho wrote:

      A new version

      [quote=mikinho]

      A new version of the config tool is being tested.  It fixes both issues.

      [/quote]

      I am not sure which two issues you are referring to.  I assume one is the firewall because you quoted that.  Is the other issue the “weak signal” issue?

  • @ Mikinho
     
    Any idea of when

    @ Mikinho

     

    Any idea of when the tuner sharing firmware will be going public??  My card is arriving shortly and I’ve been drooling over making this happen with my FIOS.

  • Anxiously waiting……… 

    Anxiously waiting………  card up and running for awhile now, but I need to dedicate a tuner to the bedroom…

     

    and THANK YOU!!! 

  • My best guess is to keep an

    My best guess is to keep an eye out on Ceton at CES for an announcement…what better time?

  • Hello, I’m experiencing some

    Hello, I’m experiencing some problems setting this up.  I do have the Ceton card running on the beta firmware. when I go to the Device Manager and look at the Ceton properties, there is no “advanced” tab showing.  Guessing I have a newer beta firmware version that by default allows bridging? 

    In your instruction for setting up the “bridged network”, can you help me set up a static IP address?

    Thank you,

    Bill

    PS I hope I don’t make you regret your quote, ” If you need help configuring a static IP address please let us know in the comments and I’ll help out.”Smile

     

  • I also have the latest beta

    I also have the latest beta firmware and it doesn’t have an advanced tab.  I was able to follow your directions and get a tuner shared, however.  I do see a couple problems.

    • I cannot seem to get a static IP setup on the bridge.  It will work when I configure it.  I can ping that address from another box.  However, I seem to lose internet access unless I go back to DHCP.
    • I set this up and tested on my MC that has the infinitv in it and it was working.  Although, I set it up for on 3 tuners available, it still said 4 when I went through tuner setup.  I setup the remote MC PC for 1 tuner and that did say 1 tuner during the tuner setup.  I went back into the network tuner config on the main MC and it said three were enabled, but the one that was disabled was just blank.  I tried to set it to disabled again, but when I go back in it is blank.
    • I tested my main MC before connected the remote and the tuner was working well.  I setup the other MC and it was working.  However, when I come back to the main now it said weak signal.  I tried other channels but later got viewing or listening conflict error.  (this may be related to a different problem I am working on)

    Thanks for the great instructions.  Even though I am have a few issues, I am really excisted to have this functionality because my other MC only has OTA and my cable company copy protects everything except local channels so I cannot even watch one of my recorded shows on that MC.  Plus I don’t think I would be able to go through the expense and hassle of getting another cable card setup going there because I have to buy the card and have three cable runs for it and another two tuning adapters.

  • I may have got past being

    I may have got past being able to setup the static IP on the bridge.  I removed the bridge and then removed the static IP that was configured on my NIC.  Then, I recreated the bridge and configured the static IP.  It now seems that it is working correctly.  

  • Do either of you still need

    Do either of you still need help?  I was at CES for the last few days and it was extremely hectic so I apologize for the delayed response.  I’m actually on a flight en route back home right now.  Love in-flight WiFi

  • Michael,  What is the

    Michael,  What is the firmware version that eneables tuner sharing??

    • It is still only in the beta.

      It is still only in the beta.  The most current beta is slightly different than the guide above though, the option to do network bridging is not no longer visible since it is always enabled now.

  • Hello,
    Trying to share one

    Hello,

    Trying to share one tuner with a client PC. W7 on both machines.

    The MC on the client doesn’t see the tuner. I looked at the device manager and he tuner doesn’t show either but I’m not sure if it supposed to.

     

    I ran the cablecard advisor as well as installed the Play Ready.

     

    Any ideas?

     

     

  • I was getting the weak signal

    I was getting the weak signal issue.  It seems to have gone away.  I though it was because the remote MC was not tuning — My wife said it wasn’t working.  However, I just went to check on it and it is currently tuned and recording a show.  I guess I’ll wait and see if the crops up again.

    The other issue I had was that even through I disabled the 4th tuner on my main MC, it said 4 tuners when I went through setup.  I check the network config again and it was still set to 3.  (although the 4th tuner just showed blank instead of disabled)  Do you think I should go through the tuner setup again?  BTW, the remote MC did correct detect only the 1 tuner.

    I am not sure I understand the ramifications of not having that tuner disabled.  It is just leave open the possibility of tuning to another channel from two different MC?

    BTW, thanks for the guide and the config app.  This is really awesome.

  • I was going to try to

    I was going to try to reconfigure my main MC again now, but it still say 4 tuners even though I only enabled 3.  Is it just telling me that there are 4 tuners on the card or that it will see all 4.  I assume this is a problem

  • Yep, its a timing issue.  It

    Yep, its a timing issue.  It is fixed in the next version.  I made quite a bit of changes, releasing soon.

  • Thanks for the write-up.  I

    Thanks for the write-up.  I wasn’t able to make it work.  I was able to bridge the connections but I wasn’t able to access the infinitv diagnostic page after bridging, and the network config utility didn’t work, wasn’t able to unzip it.

    • There’s a problem with the

      There’s a problem with the download via IE 8 or 9.  You need to download with Firefox or Chrome…  I don’t know why– it is what it is.

  • I followed all the steps and

    I followed all the steps and once I try to tune into a channel from the client pc playback stops on the host pc and I get “Weak TV Signal” on the host pc after it stops.  On the client pc i get “service is unavailable”.

    I applied the netsh commands from the 12/25 comment with no luck.  I ran the client setup tool on the client tool and only enabled tuner #4 (disabled others) but when I ran the WMC TV Signal setup it still says it found 4 tuners.  The Searching for channels returned 0 results although the guide populates just fine (I think that is normal).  I started to re-run tv signal setup on the host machine after running the client tool there and disabling tuner #4 and enabling the other 3 and it too said it found 4 tuners.

    If i restart WMC on the host then it seems to grab the tuner again at least so as long as I dont try to tune from the client I’m good.

    Cloising WMC onthe host and then trying to tune from the client results inthe same “service unavailable” message on the client.

    The firewall was turned off on the host throughout all tests and I turned it off on the client for the last test (WMC not launched onhost) and got the same “service unavailable” message.

    I’m on the 1.0.1.50 firmware and 4790 HW.

    Not sure where to go from here?

    • AussieInSeattle wrote:

      I

      [quote=AussieInSeattle]

      I followed all the steps and once I try to tune into a channel from the client pc playback stops on the host pc and I get “Weak TV Signal” on the host pc after it stops.  On the client pc i get “service is unavailable”.

      [/quote]

      I have not tried firmware 1.0.1.50 but we recently completed an installation for a client and were able to share tuners with 2 clients. We used fw 1.0.1.49.

      We experienced similar issues with our project and were able to identify the root cause of the issue and solve it – It wasn’t the InfiniTV!.

      It may be hard to believe but your signal may indeed be very low as indicated in the error message – lower than the recommended standard.

      If possible, do test the strength of your signal coming into the card. The InfiniTV web page provides a basic measurement of the signal but a professional signal analyzer would tell much more about your signal.

      We were amazed to find out how low our signal was and it took several visits from the cable company until they agreed to work with us and resolve the issue.

      Basically your signal is a 2-way stream of data – downstream and upstream. There is a delicate balance between the downstream and the upstream – something that the higher level technicians are trained with – which if violated will cause issues with the reception of the channels.

      A downstream signal lower than -8 db (negative 8 db) will likely result in  “weak signal” message. Your signal should be between -5db to +20db, depends on the channel (digital channels with higher numbers will show lower signal towards the negative while analog channels will show higher strength).

      I recommend that you call your cable company and press them to send a technician with signal strength analyzer. You may be surprised of the findings.

      I hope this helps.

       

       

       

      • Thanks for your response

        Thanks for your response Eyal, but my InfiniTV works just fine and records using 4 tuners on the main host pc just fine (with beta firmware and also before I was using the beta firmware, etc) so that makes me think it is not a signal issue.  The issue only occurs when I try to split the tuners and use one of the 4 on another machine, which makes me think it is a tuner contention issue.

        Regards,
        Matt

        • Matt,
          My apologies. it

          Matt,

          My apologies. it sounded from your original post that you were having issues on the host pc.

          Try the following:

           

          On The Host PC:

          1. Remove the network adapters from the bridge
          2. Run the disagnosis tool and reset both the Tuners and Network
          3. Reboot
          4. Create the bridge again
          5. Follow Mikinho’s instructions to set static IP address
          6. Launch Media Center and go through the Digital Cable Advisor (It will probably just give you a message that your pc is ready since you already ran it but it doesn’t hurt to run it again)
          7. Run the TV Signal setup again and assign tuners 1-3 or 1-2 only.

           

          On The Client PC:

          1. Set the client’s IP address to static
          2. Install the InfiniTV application
          3. Run the Diagnosis tool and reset the tuners (DO NOT RESET THE NETWORK)
          4. Run Mikinho’s config tool and unregister the tuners
          5. Reboot
          6. Run Mikinho’s config tool and discover the tuners
          7. Enable ALL tuners (Please note this is contradictory to the guide)
          8. Launch WMC and run the Digital Cable Advisor (It will probably just give you a message that your pc is ready since you already ran it but it doesn’t hurt to run it again)
          9. Run the TV signal and allocate one of the free tuners. Please NOTE: since you enabled all tuners, WMC will suggest all 4 of them. You MUST click on “Let Me Configure…” option and then > Cable > Cable Card and then select the tuner that you know is free and not allocated by the host pc by unchecking all other tuners.
          10. Complete the setup and reboot.

           

          On another note, what kind of router do you use?

           

          Just to confirm, did you turn off the Windows (or any other software) firewall? Please check for any rules related to eHome or ehShell or Media Center. If you found any, remove them completely from the firewall. From my experience, windows firewall continues to block programs even if it is turned off.

          If you are using McCafee, you may need to uninstall it as it has been not friendly to InfiniTV.

           

          Let us know if this helped.

           

           

  • Interesting note…I had set

    Interesting note…I had set this up on another PC, and it stopped working, so i thought maybe i messed something up on the card, i installed this into my main PC, installed the drivers, and nothing…i couldn’t access the card at all via the default or the newly configured IP (I had even tried “reset networking” in the original PC.)  The card did not even show up in the diagnostic tool

    I had to bridge the network again, and then i could access the page, and the diagnostic tool now saw the card.  Odd…how does one “remove” the need for this portion of the setup process if i were to for example sell my card to someone else. 

  • Anyone have a good link to

    Anyone have a good link to the MissingRemote_InfiniTV-Network-Config-Setup-1.0.zip file? The one on the article seems to be corrupt.

    • Are you trying to download

      Are you trying to download with IE? If so, use another browser. Firefox works great.

       

       

  •  
    Need some guidance.
    When I

     

    Need some guidance.

    When I try to “Bridge Connections” on the ceton it tells me I cannot do so, saying I have to “select at least two LAN connections…blahblah”. I cannot figure out why. If it is the way my network is configed I do not know what I need to change, i.e. file and printer sharing.

    I also have an issue when I go to the ceton “network settings” after changing the ip from DHCP to static. When I hit “Set network” the page just times out. The only way I can get my ceton back (recognized by the Infinitv diagnostics)is to go into network and connections and manually change the ceton network to static ip with no subnet and use a manual DNS.

    What’s odd (showing my ignorance) is the webpage address for the ceton is different from the static ip I set in networks and connections. I original set it for something like xxx.xxx.1.15 when the page first timed out and set it in network and conenctions as xxx.xxx.1.20. When i got the tuner to show back up in the diagnostics and went to the ceton card’s webpage it shows the webpage as the “old” ip of xxx.xxx.1.15. But listed in the field for static ip address is the new xxx.xxx.1.20. If anyone is still following and understanding this, two points to you!

    So I’m trying to figure out if I’ve “screwed the pooch” and if so, how do I unscrew it and get this thing bridged and flying right.

    Hopefully this post is somewhat ledgable and someone can lend me a hand.

    BTW, the PC the ceton is in is on a home network (server) connected to multiple PCs. It’s a server pc with mymovies on it and now the ceton card in it. The idea of course is to be able to kiss away the cable boxes and use WMC for TV and our movies at each PC (3 total).

    I am running the latest Beta softwares/firmwares on Win 7 ultimate.

     

    Thanks for reading.

     

     

    • hed wrote:

       
      Need some

      [quote=hed]

       

      Need some guidance.

      When I try to “Bridge Connections” on the ceton it tells me I cannot do so, saying I have to “select at least two LAN connections…blahblah”. I cannot figure out why. If it is the way my network is configed I do not know what I need to change, i.e. file and printer sharing.

      I also have an issue when I go to the ceton “network settings” after changing the ip from DHCP to static. When I hit “Set network” the page just times out. The only way I can get my ceton back (recognized by the Infinitv diagnostics)is to go into network and connections and manually change the ceton network to static ip with no subnet and use a manual DNS.

      What’s odd (showing my ignorance) is the webpage address for the ceton is different from the static ip I set in networks and connections. I original set it for something like xxx.xxx.1.15 when the page first timed out and set it in network and conenctions as xxx.xxx.1.20. When i got the tuner to show back up in the diagnostics and went to the ceton card’s webpage it shows the webpage as the “old” ip of xxx.xxx.1.15. But listed in the field for static ip address is the new xxx.xxx.1.20. If anyone is still following and understanding this, two points to you!

      So I’m trying to figure out if I’ve “screwed the pooch” and if so, how do I unscrew it and get this thing bridged and flying right.

      Hopefully this post is somewhat ledgable and someone can lend me a hand.

      BTW, the PC the ceton is in is on a home network (server) connected to multiple PCs. It’s a server pc with mymovies on it and now the ceton card in it. The idea of course is to be able to kiss away the cable boxes and use WMC for TV and our movies at each PC (3 total).

      I am running the latest Beta softwares/firmwares on Win 7 ultimate.

       

      Thanks for reading.

       [/quote]

       

      When you goto network settings and set it up as a static IP, you will be unable to connect to it until you configure the bridge; as per stated in the readme. 

      That being said, when you’re trying to bridge your connections you must select both your network card “Local Area Connection” (sometimes followed by a # if you have multiple nics) AND (by holding ctrl, same method you use to select multiple objects in explorer) your Ceton which will likely be called “Local Area Connection 3” if you have only a single nic in your PC.  Once you do this, then you can right click and goto bridge connections.

      hope that helps.

       

      another note i find as a best practice when maintaining servers at work with multiple network connections is the binding order.  if you’re on your network connections window, hit alt and goto Advanced -> Advanced Settings.  You’ll be shown a window that contains the binding order; meaning…which connection it tries to utilize first.  you may notice after installing the ceton your internet is extremely slow the first time you try to use it.  That’s because by default, any new connection you add is thrown to the top of the binding order!  The last network connection you added was your Ceton card, and therefore anytime you reboot your computer will try to connect to the internet via your ceton card.  Hows that gonna work!?  🙂  once that fails and times out you will then try the next one in the list…minor step but an important one IMO.

      • Thanks! Got it bridged. I

        Thanks! Got it bridged. I realized, and this is almost too embarrassing to admit, that I just had to highlight both icons in  ‘adapter settings’ under ‘network and connections’. Then it bridged…./palmtoface

         

        Then the connection to the other PCs was easy. I used the tool Mike made (awesome) and seemed good to go. I am at the point now where I have setup one of the tuners (in WMC) in another pc and downloaded the guide. I was getting tuner conflict. Then I went back to the server pc and reinstalled (in WMC) the ceton tuners, only allowing one to be used in WMC. Then I reinstalled the client oc (in WMC). Now I get no service. Not sure if it’s correctly done and that I lost pairing (has happened before) or if my settings are incorrect.

        Regardless, I know I’m close and will figure this out. I’m sure all this was made much more diffcult since Im operating on about 2 hours sleep.. ;)…thanks for the response…:)

         

  • Thanks to all that reported

    Thanks to all that reported the bug in IE6, IE7 and IE8.  Sorry it took me so long to put a work-around in place, it was some trial and error.  It is a bug in IE that is fixed in IE9, see http://support.microsoft.com/kb/308090

    If you’ve previously attempted to download w/ IE you may need to clear your cache.  Or wait a couple days and the new version will have a different URL.

  • Michael I am a bit confused.

    Michael I am a bit confused. Am i supposed to run your tool on my Host PC also? Got everything setup with the newest firmware and HW V4790 but get service unavailable for live tv on the client

    -Mark

    • On the host only if you need

      On the host only if you need to watch Live TV on it for the firewall rules.  For the client, the firewall rules probably weren’t applied.  It is a bug in the version.  I’ve attached a cmd to run to apply the firewall rules until I release the fix.

      • Excellent that worked!

        Excellent that worked!

        • Mike i jumped the gun. I was

          Mike i jumped the gun. I was testing from from with rdp and was able to record from the client but live tv is still broken.

          I applied your FW rules to both the host and client. ran your program on both and disabled tuner 4 on host and enable tuner 4 on client. when i run signal setup on both it finds 4 tuners so i raun manual setup and only choose the tuners i want 1-3 on hos and 4 on client.

          I can access the tuner web page accross the network and can see that tuner 4 is being used by client but still get Service unavailable on client.

          I run seurity Esssentials on both Pc’s Host is a Win7 Utimate 32bit client is a win7 ultimate 64bit.

          I can watch live tv on host and can record and watch recorded tv from the client. I use an Iscsi connection from the client to the host as my recordedtv drive. not sure what to do from here.

           

          Mark

          • If you just copied and pasted

            If you just copied and pasted the command lines for the firewall that is posted in this thread read below….

            Concerning the firewall rules, one of the lines that is posted in this thread is broken…

            The line in question is the third command line down….

            "netsh advfirewall firewall add rule name="TV Tuner Device (RTP-In)"dir=In Profile=Private LocalIP=Any RemoteIP=Any Protocol=UDP LocalPort=5001-5016 RemotePort=Any Edge=No action=Allow"

            This part:  “dir=In   …there needs to be a space between the ” and the d

            Assuming I read your post correctly and didn’t miss anything that should fix your problem.

             

            Hope that helps

             

             

            
            
            				
          • I got it sorted out. just

            I got it sorted out. just started from scratch and used the cmd file mike posted earlier for the firewall rules

            This is sweet!

          • Glad it worked and that I

            Glad it worked and that I could help (I think I did at least :))

          • You did
            Now i just hope i

            You did 🙂

            Now i just hope i dont miss another playoff football game!

  • I have the latest beta

    I have the latest beta FW/HW/Drivers installed on the Host.   I can watch and record on the host without a problem.

    The client pc sees the tuners but I always get the “Service unavailable” message on any channel I try.  I can actually see it change channels on the tuner I’m using but I get no signal.

    I’ve turned off the firewall on both sides.   I’m still trying some different things but looking for other ideas to try so the client will work.  Host is working fine.

     

     

    • Can you access the device

      Can you access the device webpage from the client PC?

      • Yeah, I can access the web

        Yeah, I can access the web page fine.   I can access everything on the web page without a problem.

        I have a static IP set for the Ceton on my internal network.

         

         

        • Just to verify, have you run

          Just to verify, have you run the Digital Cable Advisor on the client pc?

           

           

          • Yes.  I have run digital

            Yes.  I have run digital cable advisor on the client.  I’ll run it again.

        • Even though you have the

          Even though you have the firewall off try running the cmd file I attached above on the client.

          • I am using norton security

            I am using norton security 2011.  I have the same firewall rules as I do on the host machine.

            I’ll double check them.

            Thanks for the suggestions.

          • Unless you really want to use

            Unless you really want to use Norton I suggest ditching it for Microsoft Security Essentials v2 (free).  Even with the proper firewall exceptions users have reported problems with Norton and Digital Cable Tuners.

          • When I get a chance I can

            When I get a chance I can remove it to ensure it is not causing the problem. 

            I’ve opened everything from the ceton IP to my client pc as an added item.

             

          • I second that. We had similar

            I second that. We had similar issue with MacCafee internet security and spent hours until we decided to remove it and all issues disapeared.

            Those software security firewalls are causing nothing but troubles because they creates very deep hooks to the windows underlying API’s and it is very dificult to trace what exactly they are doing.

            My recommendation is get a hardware firewall (usually comes as part of your router) and then get a decent antivirus.

             

             

          • On the host, once I poked

            On the host, once I poked holes in the right places I’ve had no problems with Norton.  Unless there is some other protocol, port, or app that is getting blocked, I don’t believe it is Norton causing my problem.

            With that said, I need to uninstall it to make sure it’s not.

             I appreciate the suggestions. 

          • I still have not uninstalled

            I still have not uninstalled norton.   I tried various things yesterday trying to get it to work.

            At the end of the day, 3 of my tuners on the host were occupied with something. 

            I rebooted both the host and the client and all is working as expected.    I’m not sure what I did but it’s all working now.  I’ll have to play with it abit and see what was going on.

            Thanks you all for the suggestions.

  • Mike,
       First off I like to 

    Mike,

       First off I like to  thank you for your post – I haven’t had any issues sharing tuners from the host or client – Picture quality is great  I couldn’t be happier.

    The only issue I have is when I reboot the host computer the Network bridge gets assigned a different IP address that is not on my Subnet causing me to have to disable then re-enable  the bridge to force it to use the static IP that had been assigned.

    Any thought on why this is happening?

    Thanks.

    • Randmanzan wrote:

      Mike,
        

      [quote=Randmanzan]

      Mike,

         First off I like to  thank you for your post – I haven’t had any issues sharing tuners from the host or client – Picture quality is great  I couldn’t be happier.

      The only issue I have is when I reboot the host computer the Network bridge gets assigned a different IP address that is not on my Subnet causing me to have to disable then re-enable  the bridge to force it to use the static IP that had been assigned.

      Any thought on why this is happening?

      Thanks.

      [/quote]

      Did you assign a static ip address to your network bridge? That should take care of the problem.

      • Yes  I assigned a static IP

        Yes  I assigned a static IP to the Network Bridge – for some reason when rebooting the Bridge ignores the static IP and assigns a different subnet IP . Instead of 255.255.255.0 it uses 255.255.0.0.

        • Randmanzan wrote:Yes  I

          [quote=Randmanzan]

          Yes  I assigned a static IP to the Network Bridge – for some reason when rebooting the Bridge ignores the static IP and assigns a different subnet IP . Instead of 255.255.255.0 it uses 255.255.0.0.

          [/quote]

          Does it use the same IP address though?  Could you cutpaste the output of ipconfig /all for the proper configuration and when it changes?

          • My Mistake –   It is keeping

            My Mistake –   It is keeping the Assigned Stacic IP – When I was trouble shooting I must of removed the Static IP to test.

            However – The Network bridge will not connect unless I disable then enable. I  noticed in the System event logs I’m receiving errors “Your computer was not assigned an address from the network (by the DHCP Server) for the Network Card with network address 0x00222CFFFFFF.  The following error occurred: 0x79. Your computer will continue to try and obtain an address on its own from the network address (DHCP) server.” Do you think it might be a router issue?

            Attached is the Ipconfig log.

          • Just to go over the

            Just to go over the basics…..

            Ceton is a static ip ?

            LAN connection is static ?

            Bridged network is static ?

            Did you try unplugging your router? What about your PC? Did you run Mike’s firewall script?

             

            I know this list is very basic but it doesn’t hurt to take a second look.

             

             

             

             

             

             

          • Checked static IP on Ceton,

            Checked static IP on Ceton, LAN and Bridged Network – all good

            Umpluged – rebooted router and modem. Firewall is turned off.

            still no luck..

          • What is bridged in your

            What is bridged in your network? I have a two lan port motherboard and I didn’t disabled the unused port. When I created the bridge I unintentionally included the unused lan. That caused an issue for me until I removed it from the bridge.

          • Just the “Local area

            Just the “Local area Connection” and the “Locall area InifiTV Connection” are Bridged.

            It’s very strange – after reboot if i disable than enable the Network bridge all is fine.

          • I would unbridge your network

            I would unbridge your network and delete the existing one. Reboot, then try recreating the bridge (with static ip).

          • I unbridged my network –

            I unbridged my network – rebooted than setup bridge with static IP – rebooted with same issue. – When i tested the bridge before – using a DHCP assigned IP – after i rebooted the Bridge was assigned the Subnet mask of the ceton card – however when I would disable and enable the Bridge the DHPC would assign the correct IP. It almost looks like maybe the Ceton card is taking priority when initializing

            Any thoughts…

             

             

             

             

          •  You have to make sure

             You have to make sure whatever static IP your assigning to your bridge is available.  Even though my ceton’s default mask was 255.255.0.0 I changed it to 255.255.255.0 when I was setting the ceton to static ip.In my case to correspond with my router/bridge.

            To recap:

            -Make sure all static ip addresses you assign are available.

            -Try changing your subnet mask

            See how that goes for you and let us know what happens.

             

          • Tested IP’s  – all are

            Tested IP’s  – all are available.

            All cards are on the same subnet mask –  again, what is strange – is when I reboot (even with a static IP) Bridge network will not connect.

            If I disable the bridged network and then enable it connects fine (using a static or DHCP assigned IP). Other than the reboot issue the tuner sharing runs perfect.

            any other thoughts?

             

          • Perhaps you could try

            Perhaps you could try changing the binding order in your bridge.

          • I thought earlier that that

            I thought earlier that that might be the fix.-II tried every possible order combination  – still no joy.

            I’ll keep researching  – If you have any more thoughts please let me know.

            Thank you for all your help.

             

          • It looks like you are not on

            It looks like you are not on the latest HARDWARE firmware (at this time 4790).  It has a fix for this particular issue.  Download and install it and you should be good to go.  Make sure to completely power off you system after applying the latest hardware firmware.

          • I am using the most current

            I am using the most current Hardware and Firmware version.

            Hardware version: 4790

            Firmware version 1.0.1.51

             

             

             

             

             

             

             

             

             

             

          • Did you check the IP address

            Did you check the IP address on the CETON card’s web page?

            Also, could it be that you have another device that is assigned the same IP address you are trying to assign to the CETON as static?

             

             

  • Just to be clear, I

    Just to be clear, I downloaded the new drivers today and currently I’m on:

    Firmware-1.0.1.49

    Hardware Revision- 4336

     

    I was able to get as far as seeing the tuners from the client PC , and actually set the tuner up in media center on the client pc, but when i try to watch live tv i get a Service Unavailable error. Its strange because when it shows which channel i am on from the tuner diagnostic webpage, and says playing.

    As far as i know i am not apart of the tuner sharing beta test. Should I be able to get this far if I’m not apart of the beta?

     

    Thanks,

    • You will not be able to share

      You will not be able to share tuners unless you are in the beta and have downloaded those drivers.

  • I will disable my firewall to

    I will disable my firewall to test. So I do not need to be apart of the beta correct?

     

    The only beta firmware i received was for the football recording problem

    • I did a quick first read and

      I did a quick first read and didn’t notice until later that you were not in the beta. You have to be in the beta to share tuners. If you go the the ceton corp site, open a ticket, explain you would like to be in the beta, they will most likely let you in. Make sure you include your serial # for your ceton.

  • Hey guys, I’m hoping you can

    Hey guys, I’m hoping you can help me get my Ceton tuner back.  I tried bridging the tuner per the instructions in this post.  After bridging I couldn’t see the ceton on my network or access the tuner’s device page.  I tried unbridging the tuner to see if I could access the device page again and it wasn’t accessible.  I used the ceton diagnostic utility to find the tuner and reset the tuners network settings with no success.  The diagnostic utility can’t find the tuner.  The tuner shows up in network connections with a wierd IP address of 169.254.135.55.  I plugged that address in to my browser but no device page, just a google search result. I tried uninstalling the card and drivers and reinstalling with no luck.

    Any thoughts?

    Thanks

    • In Ceton Tuner Diagnostics

      In Ceton Tuner Diagnostics tool hit “Reset Network Settings” under the Devices tab.  That reverts the InfiniTV to DHCP Server mode w/ the default IP Address.

      • I tried that several times

        I tried that several times with a reboot each time.  The diagnostic tool does not find the tuner.

        • It doesn’t need to find it.

          It doesn’t need to find it.  Rebridge the networks and then try it.

          What color is the LEd on the back of your card?

          • I rebridged the networks and

            I rebridged the networks and then reset the network settings with the ceton diagnostic utility.  After a reboot I still can’t access the tuner’s device page.  The light LED on the back of the tuner is blue.

          • After a reboot unbridge them

            After a reboot unbridge them again and try http://192.168.200.1/

          • After rebooting and then

            After rebooting and then unbridging the networks I can’t access the device page with the default address of 192.168.200.1.  The network connection details for the tuner indicate an IP of 169.254.135.55 with a different subnet mask than my LAN subnet mask.  I can ping that weird tuner IP locally at my HTPC but not over the network.

            Thanks for your help so far…

          • While on your HTPC, and I

            While on your HTPC, and I only mention that since I’ve been dumb before and made a network IP change while connected over RDP without thinking about it, change your real network card to a static IP address in the same range as the InfiniTV.  Something like 169.254.135.50 and matching subnet.  Then try the network reset from the diagnostics tool.

          • tried your suggestion with no

            tried your suggestion with no luck.  I also tried changing the ip of the tuner to the default of 192.168.200.1 and an IP that is compatible with my local network.  I tried the network reset with both IP addresses. I don’t understand where the rogue IP address (169.254.135.55) comes from with DHCP on.

          • I had the same issue you are

            I had the same issue you are having. I could not get the infinitv diagnostic page to see the tuner. I went into network and sharing center and from there I set the ceton card (unknown network before bridging) to a static ip and manual DNS. Then made a new bridge and rebooted.

            Once I got the diagnostic page to see the tuner I made my bridge.

             

             

            I know this maybe remedial, but…..

            – make sure lan is set to static ip

            – make sure bridge is static ip

            – make sure ceton card is set to a static ip

             

             

             

          • annken100 wrote:
            …I don’t

            [quote=annken100]…I don’t understand where the rogue IP address (169.254.135.55) comes from with DHCP on…[/quote]

             

            Usually 169.xxx.xxx.xxx is an indication that your device is unable to find the DHCP server which means – in your case – that somewhere there is a setting for DHCP that is not getting overwritten by the static IP settings.

             

          • Thanks for the help folks.  I

            Thanks for the help folks.  I ended up opening a ticket with Ceton and they decided to RMA my card.  The support at Ceton is first rate, they even offered to send out a loaner card while mine is getting fixed.  Thanks again for the help.

             

            Ken

  • If anyone else has the issue

    If anyone else has the issue where Mikinho’s InfiniTV Network Tuner Config shows your tuners but always shows “Discovered” = no make sure network discovery is on for your home network. (Do this from Control PanelNetwork and InternetNetwork and Sharing CenterAdvanced sharing settings)

    My ipv6 was disabled causing an error with network discovery. Ultimatly I had to set HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINESYSTEMCurrentControlSetServicesTcpip6ParametersDisabledComponents to 0 and change the SSDP Discovery service from disabled to manual.

    It would be very useful if the next version of the tuner config would have a simple check and error message if network discovery is disabled. I hope this helps someone else.

    • I should have listed that as

      I should have listed that as a prereq and will add that as a check.  Thanks for the feedback!

  • @ Mikinho
    Mike, I got my

    @ Mikinho

    Mike, I got my ceton tuner card installed, sharred and working great.(I’m a happy Geek) Thanks for the guide.   One little question;

     

    When you bring a client out of sleep, roughly how long does it take for it to relocate the sharred tuners before you can enter live TV?

     

    My set up; Tuner server, where the Ceton is installed. W7-64, always on, UPS backup, static IP.

    2 HTPC Clients, W7-64, on when in use (or backing up to WHS), in sleep when not in use, UPS backup, static DHCP.

    All 3 connected through a 1G switch. All 3 have Windows firewall disabled for private networks.

     

    It’s taking my clients almost a full min to be able to get into Live TV after waking up, after that all is fine.

    • It will take 60 seconds.

      It will take 60 seconds.  This is a limitation of Windows Media Center to establish DRM, it is not a limitation of the InfiniTV.

  • Thank you for all the work on

    Thank you for all the work on this. 

    I have installed, per the directions, the software and am able to get the client to see the tuner that I have allocated.  However, I keep getting the following error message:

    Service is unavailable

    There is currently no TV signal detected for this channel. The
    channel may be temproarily off the air. Try again later.

    When I check the server (where the card is installed), diagnostics show that the tuner is in use and has tuned the channel that I specified.  All 3 other tuners are working locally on the server (and the 4th was working until I allocated it for the client).

    Any thoughts or ideas?

     

    -Gordon

     

    BTW, I do have the beta firmware.

    • Did you run the Firewall

      Did you run the Firewall batch that is an included as a separate attachment?  I’ll get the guide update today to include that.  You’ll want to run that on both the HTPC client and host. 

      • I second that.  That is the

        I second that.  That is the exact message I was getting untill I disabled windows firewall for private networks on both the server and client PCs.  I never tried Mike’s script, but he knows what he’s doing.

        • I know that I ran it on the

          I know that I ran it on the client.  I can’t remember if I ran it on the server.  I’ll just run it again this evening on both and let you know the results.

          -Gordon

  • I have run the script (no

    I have run the script (no luck) and disabled the firewall for private networks (still no luck).  I’ll reboot both machines at some point tonight (recording schedule permitting) and see if that makes a difference.

    Thank you for the help.  I’ll keep you informed.

    -Gordon

    • Figured out the problem. 

      Figured out the problem.  Using an old machine to test the client.  It had different credentials for the user than the server.  Got it figured out.  Now I just have to use a newer video card on the client as the current one doesn’t support HDCP.

      Thank you for the help.

  • Has anyone had an issue where

    Has anyone had an issue where you are watching a program on Live TV and it just freezes?  It happens to me every now and then (not too often).  If I back out of live TV and go back in it’s fine again.  Is it something with the tuner server or the client?

  • I just had an odd issue

    I just had an odd issue trying to record “Human Target” on Fox. I decided to get this tuner sharing set up yesterday and it mostly works (except I can’t disable tuners user the utility so I get weird issues with tuner disconnects) my real issue that after being able to record this show perfectly prior to setting this up I am now getting messages that it won’t let me record the show because of a flag in the content. The only thing I can think of (besides the obvious that the flag is real) is that the way this utility works the tuner somehow gets the flag. At any rate.. I am getting scowls from the wife so I have to quickly undo this set up.

    • When you go to undo you need

      When you go to undo you need to do it in this order:

      1- Change the network configuration back to DHCP Server on the InfiniTV card.

      2- Unbridge network connection (right-click Bridge and hit delete)

      3- OCUR Unregister (from either my tool or the InfiniTV Diagnostics Tool)

      4- OCUR Discovery

      5- Media Center Setup

       

      Please let me know if unsharing fixes it but more than likely it is a content provider issue, they will sometimes “mistakenly” flag shows.  Keep us updated.

  • 1 request.  When posting

    1 request.  When posting issues, if you can post your driver, firmware and hardware firmware it would be helpful for toubleshooting.  It is a lot of numbers to check but the “latest” drivers change fairly frequently.

    As of 31-Jan-11 the latest is below

    Driver Package Version: 1.0.1.21-20110118

    InfiniTV Firmware Version: 1.0.1.51

    InfiniTV Hardware Version: 4790

  • I’ve just completed the above

    I’ve just completed the above guide, my tuners are now bridged properly, and I can access the web pages of them from any pc on the network.

    I am only working with the Host PC at the moment, trying to enable only one tuner for it, leaving the other 3 for sharing.  I ran Network Tuner Config, disabled 1-3 and enabled 4.  Ran WMC tv setup, it found all four tuners, which seems to be normal in the comments above, so I unchecked the first three and finished the setup with number 4.  Setup completed, with no errors, but I get a “Service is unavailable” message on every channel.

    I checked the signal strength, and although it is not perfect, it is -8dbmv and 35db s/n. 

    I was running all four tuners prior to the beta and had no issues.  Tried enabling all four tuners in the TV Setup, with same results.

    The only thing that seems weird is the diagnostic tool says that it is not configured for use wit WMC, please reinstall drivers.  Tried reinstalling the drivers, but no change.

    Finally, I am on FIOS in Tampa, FL and wonder if the HW image includes whatever fix the FIOS HW image has in it?  I do have the low pass filter.

    Driver: 1.0.1.21-20110114 (I downloaded 0118 but this is what the diagnostic tool shows)
    Firmware: 1.0.1.52
    Hardware: 4790

    All IP addresses Static
    Tuner: 172.16.7.1
    NIC: 172.16.7.100
    Bridge: 172.16.100.59

    • It quite possibly could be

      It quite possibly could be your fire wall on your host.  Try Mikinho’s firewall config script or disable it for private networks only.

      • script didn’t seem to help,

        script didn’t seem to help, but maybe that is because I am on a domain.  Disabling firewall did though, so I will track down the ports that need opened.

        Thanks for the quick response.

        • If you open the script do a

          If you open the script do a replace all on Profile=Private to Profile=Domain or Profile=Any

  • FYI, There is a new firmware

    FYI, There is a new firmware available for download

    Driver Package Version: 1.0.1.21-20110201

    InfiniTV Firmware Version: 1.0.1.52

    InfiniTV Hardware Version: 4790

    • Michael…
      Nice work on this

      Michael…

      Nice work on this – I have it working fine with driver 1.1.0.3-20110208

      Firmware 1.0.2.3 and Hardware 4790…   

      Can Tuner Sharing be accomplised via Vail ?   And could multiple Ceton cards be installed in a Vail server and all shared out via this technique.

      thx

    • Michael…
      Nice work on this

      Michael…

      Nice work on this – I have it working fine with driver 1.1.0.3-20110208

      Firmware 1.0.2.3 and Hardware 4790…   

      Can Tuner Sharing be accomplised via Vail ?   And could multiple Ceton cards be installed in a Vail server and all shared out via this technique.

      thx

      • Yes it works in Vail andor

        Yes it works in Vail andor Windows 2008.  And yes, you can have multiple Ceton cards installed and shared out w/o issue.  I would ensure you have a high quality (Intel) network card though, or possible two.

        • Thanks for the

          Thanks for the feedback…

          Agreed on networking – use dual Intel 82571 Gig card – so should be good there…

          Now the challenge will be setting up and managing all the Tuning Adapters in a multi-card scenario…

           

           

  • I followed the info here and

    I followed the info here and ran into problems.  So I decided to start over. I disabled and deleted the bridge and now can’t do anything with the tuner.  I’ve tried rebooting and also using the reset network settings and another few reboots.  Still, can’t access the tuner at all.

    Any other ideas?

    Thanks

  • Did you already change your

    Did you already change your network settings?  If you did then you will not be able to communicate with the tuner card unless you have it bridged.  Once you set your bridge up again you can reset the network settings on the tuner card to default. When you do that you will loose communications with the tuner card again untill you delete the bridge.  Then you are back to square 1, use 192.168.200.1 to communicate with the tuner card and you can start over again.

     

    FYI!!  New drivers on 02/04/2011

    • Tried the new drivers just in

      Tried the new drivers just in case the other day with no luck.

      I like your idea and will try this when I get home tonite but even when I originally bridged, it was not successful.

      Stupid question: when I ‘re-bridge’, is that when i manually set the ip to 192.168.200.1?

      • When you re-bridge your NIC

        When you re-bridge your NIC and your Centon card, the Ceton cards IP should be what ever you set it to on your 1st attempt.  You should be able to see it when your “view network connections” if you se the bridge up as described.  Then start the Ceton Diagnostic tool, it will take a few seconds for it to find the card.  Then just click the button to reset the netowrk to default.  That’s when you will loose communication with the card.  Delete the bridge.  Restart the Ceton Diagnostic tool and it should find it in a few seconds.  You should also be able to access it’s web interface with the default IP  192.168.200.1. 

  • Well, it didn’t work.  I

    Well, it didn’t work.  I guess when I re-bridged, since the Ceton was not seen the first time, it didn’t allow it to be seen when redone again.

    I’m thinking I need to put an older image back on and just start over.

    Thanks for your help and time.

  • What happened the 1st time

    What happened the 1st time before your ran into problems?

  • I requested to be in the beta

    I requested to be in the beta program today, a Sunday, and Ceton responded same day and signed me up.  I am now sharing tuners around the house.  Thanks for the step by step instructions!

    • So you had no issues setting
      So you had no issues setting it up? No service errors, firewall trouble, tuner conflicts, recording errors, multiple setup prompts or anything like that?

      I have been waiting to do it for a while now but have been hesitant with all of the posts from people having issues. Do you mind posting the details of your setup, firmware, etc.? Also, do you have Fios service?

      I think someone asked this before but does anyone know if the beta firmware has whatever changes that required Fios customers to download the alternate version?

      • gklimov wrote:So you had no

        [quote=gklimov]So you had no issues setting it up? No service errors, firewall trouble, tuner conflicts, recording errors, multiple setup prompts or anything like that? I have been waiting to do it for a while now but have been hesitant with all of the posts from people having issues. Do you mind posting the details of your setup, firmware, etc.?[/quote]

        It is a beta so there will definitely be bugs but most of the issues you mentioned have been resolved.  The firewall trouble was mostly due to a bug in my tool that didn’t properly set the rules.

        For what it is worth, I feel the beta is mature enough to be considered a release candidate at this point.  If you do install and it is working, I would highly recommend not updating the betas unless you are experiencing an issue.

        [quote=gklimov]Also, do you have Fios service? I think someone asked this before but does anyone know if the beta firmware has whatever changes that required Fios customers to download the alternate version?[/quote]

        The beta does include the fixes needed for FiOS customers.

        • Thanks for the reply.  I

          Thanks for the reply.  I think I’m at a point where I am willing to give it a try.  I’ll keep you posted.

           

           

          • I am using the Ceton card

            I am using the Ceton card with FIOS in Pittsburgh (but the netowrk should run the same all over the footprint).  All the drivers and firmware updates are the most current, and everything is running smoother than I expected with a beta product (or configuration).  Just follow all the guides and tips you find here and you should be fine.

          • Thanks for all the info here.

            Thanks for all the info here. I have read this thread twice so far but I still have 2 issues which may be really only one. Everything went fine until I tried to disable a tuner for remote use. It would say it was saved but if I go back in all 4 tuners show enabled. So obviously the local host sees all 4 in MC. I saw this problem mentioned earlier and there was mention of a fix on the way but I did not see it.

            My other issue is the HW rev upgrade will not take. I have tried twice and both times it goes thru the motions of erasing and writing and says it is completed. Then asks for a reboot but when I check it is still at 4336 and not 4374. Maybe the hw upgradewould fix my tuner issue?

            Any ideas?

            FW is 1.0.2.8

            hw is 4336

            driver pkg is 1.0.1.21-20110114

            diag ver is 1.2.0.0

            kernel is 1.0.1.21

            tuner cfg ver is 1.0.3961.20864

          • When doing hardware revisions

            When doing hardware revisions you need to power down, not reboot.  I leave it off for a minute and then start the computer.

  • Thanks, that worked for hw

    Thanks, that worked for hw version update but I still have the problem of not being able to disable a tuner. Everything is working fine on the local host but there is no tuner available for a remote host. Here are all my levels:

    FW is 1.0.2.8

    hw is 4374

    driver pkg is 1.1.0.3-20110208

    diag ver is 1.3.0.9

    kernel is 1.0.1.23

    tuner cfg ver is 1.0.3961.20864

    • 1st;  Upgrade to the latest

      1st;  Upgrade to the latest HW version 4790. (remember to completely power off the computer for atleast 1 min for it to take effect)

      2nd;  Upgrade to the latest FW 1.0.2.9

      3rd;  Run Mike’s firewall script on both the host and remote PC, or disable your firewall for private networks only on both PCs.

      4th;  On the host PC, Go through the TV signal set up in MC again and disable or de-select the tuner you want to use on the remote PC, complete the TV signal setup and reboot.

      5th;  Using Mike’s configuration tool, on the remote PC, unregister any OCUR tuners, disable your NIC and reboot.  Then restart Mike’s configuration tool, re-enable your NIC, reboot.  Start the config tool again and register any OCUR tuners, and enable all of them, reboot.  Go through your TV signal setup in MC and only select the tuner you want to use on your remote PC, complete the TV signal setup. 

       

      Hope this helps.

  • Mikinho,
    Could you do a quick

    Mikinho,

    Could you do a quick post on how I can get this working on a virtual windows 7 ultimate copy.  I can get the bridging working and all that based on your other instructions, but how do I activate cablecard?

    Thanks!

    Mark

  • Hey Guys…..I followed the

    Hey Guys…..I followed the guide and I am able to share the tuners across multiple computers.  However when I tune into some channels on the client PC I am getting a “Activation Required” message.  I tried to activate the cable card through the Setup–>Tv Signal however it says my computer is not digital cable ready.  Anybody have this issue?  I have CableVision and my host computer does have Tunning Adapters.  Would the client computer need a TA as well?   

    • Opps I missed the post just

      Opps I missed the post just before mine.  I think I will try disabling that first. Embarassed

  • We have four computers, one

    We have four computers, one of which is a server/client and the other three clients.  It seems that any time the server/client is restarted, the other clients loose their connection with the infintv and we get an error stating that there are no tuners available to handle this request.  The server still functions properly Restarting the client restores functionality perfectly, but it would be great to find a work around.

    Hardware 4790

    Firmware 1.0.2.8

    Driver: 1.1.0.3-20110208

    • I have noticed that if my

      I have noticed that if my clients are on when I restart my server, what you are describing will happen.  If I have my clients off, or in sleep mode, and start them up after the server is rebooted, then all is fine.

      • Any thoughts as to why this

        Any thoughts as to why this is happening?  or what we can do to prevent it?  It’s understandable for a beta product, but at some point I believe that this will be a commercial solution.

  • Hey Mikinho,
    I am trying to

    Hey Mikinho,

    I am trying to get this going in a virtual environment.  I’ve got the card installed on the server and up to date.  Firmware 1.0.3.1 and Hardware 4790.  I’ve created an internal network connection (Ceton Net) and bridged that with the InfiniTV.  I can access the card at it’s new static IP address on the server, but nothing on the virtual machine.  I’ve added Ceton Net to the virtual machine.  If I try to browse to the webpage it can’t be found and if I use your tool it can’t find the tuners on the virtual machine.  Can I use an internal network connection, or do I have to bridge with one of my physical NIC’s?  Any help you can provide would be great!

    Thanks,
    Mark

    • I’m using a dedciated

      I’m using a dedciated physical NIC at the moment since I’m splitting the tuners among the virtual HTPC and bedroom HTPCs.  When my kids are done w/ the TV I’ll remove and test.

      I believe I had it working with an internal virtual NIC as well but that it took a little bit of a work to get it working properly.

  • Great! Thanks!

    Great! Thanks!

    • I changed my virtual HTPC to

      I changed my virtual HTPC to an internal virtual network card and no issues.

      What is your network setup like?

      On my virtual I now have two network cards configured:

      1- External (for Windows Updates and RDP)

      2- Internal (Bridged to the InfiniTV)

      On the Hyper-V host, (“SERVER”), I have the below IPv4 configuration settings:

      External

      IP Address: 10.0.0.10

      Subnet: 255.0.0.0

      Default Gateway: 10.0.0.1

      Internal

      IP Address: 10.1.0.10

      Subnet: 255.0.0.0

      Default Gateway: <Blank>

      On the Hyper-V virtual, (“HTPC-V”), I have the below IPv4 configuration settings:

      External

      IP Address: 10.0.0.25

      Subnet: 255.0.0.0

      Default Gateway: 10.0.0.1

       

      Internal

      IP Address: 10.1.0.25

      Subnet: 255.0.0.0

      Default Gateway: <Blank>

      On the InfiniTV, I have the below IPv4 configuration settings:

      IP Address: 10.1.0.80

      Subnet: 255.0.0.0

      Hope this helps.

       

      • Ok here’s what I have
        On the

        Ok here’s what I have

        On the Hyper – V Host (SERVER)

        I have the following

        External (No IP Settings shown here as it is not shared with the server.  It’s dedicated to the virtual machine)

        Internal (No IP Settings shown here as it is bridged with the Ceton Card)

        Ceton (No IP Settings shown here as it is bridged with the internal network)

                 In the Ceton network settings I’ve given the card an IP of 192.168.0.165

        Bridge IP 192.168.0.166 Subnet 255.255.255.0

        On the Virtual Machine

        External IP 192.168.0.178 Subnet 255.255.255.0 Default Gateway 192.168.0.1

        Internal IP 169.254.8.249 Subnet 255.255.0.0

        This was the problem

        I changed it to a valid IP and subnet, and the tuners were immediately found.  Thanks for posting up your settings.  That really helped!!

         

        On another note, do you use any Xbox 360 extenders connected to that virtual machine.  I have two connected to mine and after about 5 minutes of playback I get network issues which don’t go away.  I am running a gig network throughout so I wouldn’t expect any issues.  I’ve dedicated an Intel Network Card for this virtual machine, given it 4 virtual processors, 4096 mb ram starting.  I’ve tried playing files direct from the virtual hard drive, from the server, and from a virtual homeserver.  Also, no problems with livetv thus far only recordedtv.  Any suggested network adapter changes to help this issue?

         

        • I currently do NOT have any

          I currently do NOT have any extenders connected, just 3 bedroom HTPCs for Recorded TV.  I did have 3 extenders connceted at one point though and did not have a problem.  I do have a “nice” network switch though so I don’t have to worry about 1001000 negotiation.

          What kind of diskVHD do you have setup?  If you have a dynamic VHD that doesn’t work too well for IO.  I have my virtual HTPC setup with a dedicated disk but I did use static VHD with success as well.

          • Well, I am using a static

            Well, I am using a static VHD, but maybe I’ll give the dedicated disk idea a try.  What’s weird is that live tv has no problems, it’s only the recorded tv.  I am trying all sorts of different ideas on the network adapter, so far no luck.

  • What’s the ETA for the new

    What’s the ETA for the new configuration tool?  I just got my serial number added to the Beta program & I’m anxious to get started.  I just updated my Firmware to ver. 1.0.3.1 and the Hardware to rev. 4884.  I would like to get up and running ASAP.  I need to reconfigure my tuners now that I’ve performed the FW and HW updates, and I’m gonna have to do it now so the wife doesn’t freak out about the TV not working when she gets up.  Hopefully this won’t cause problems.  Thanks for all the help.

    • It is actively being worked

      It is actively being worked on but no firm ETA that I can give.

  • I am having trouble finding

    I am having trouble finding the download link for the tuner config.  I am signed in and registered.

    • Per request I’ve temporarily

      Per request I’ve temporarily removed it.  It will be back up as soon as possible.

  • I just noticed on Ceton’s

    I just noticed on Ceton’s beta support page that the latest HW IMAGE is v4884. Also, (which seems odd, since I check this page weekly) the changelog was updated 01-10-2011. http://www.cetoncorp.com/infinitv/support/betahwupdate.php#changelog

    And, Mikinho states the latest in posts 130 and 135.

    Anyone install this latest HW IMAGE without issue yet?

    Thanks

    • I’m not sure what is up with

      I’m not sure what is up with the date on the page, but 4884 is the latest hardware image.  I think it came out last Thursday or Friday.  I installed it early Saturday morning and it is working fine for me.

  • Ok, thanks. HW IAMGE v4790

    Ok, thanks. HW IAMGE v4790 has been posted on their beta page for 2 months.

    I’ll give v4884 a go. Maybe this will finally go publicWink

    • I was under the impression

      I was under the impression that a public firmware release required re-certification from CableLABS and that was the real hold-up.  Am I wrong on this?

  • I just got my card, woo hoo. 

    I just got my card, woo hoo.  I originally ordered it last April.

    I got client / server working with the public release of driver (1.1.0.6-20110307) and hardware (4790).  I kept on reading about the necessity of Beta driver / hardware.  Is this true?  What kind of issues would I run into if I use public drivers for client / server setup?

    I’ve been running this setup for 2 days, no issues so far.  But curious of what others have found.

    • Some beta drivers will

      Some beta drivers will inadvertantly cause problems, they are typically fixed quickly but “testing” on a primary HTPC can definitely lower your SAF.

      My recommendation is, if it works without issue stick to that firmware/driver until you see a formal announcement 🙂

      • Mikinho,
        Is there an ETA

        Mikinho,

        Is there an ETA (that you can say publicly) of when we can see a formal announcement?

        Also, when can we expect your tuner sharing application to be re-posted? I (like many others) are planning on getting thier SB builds ordered. I’m replacing my 360 in the bedroom. This feature is vital to my HTPC bliss & more importantly WAF. Laughing

        Thanks again.

        • I don’t have an ETA that I

          I don’t have an ETA that I can provide or even know.  I expect it to be very soon though and before you get your Sandy Bridge board fully setup 🙂

          • mikinho wrote:

            I don’t have

            [quote=mikinho]

            I don’t have an ETA that I can provide or even know.  I expect it to be very soon though and before you get your Sandy Bridge board fully setup 🙂

            [/quote]

            Ok, thanks. I just want to avoid:

            Wife: “What do you mean I can’t watch live TV on this new fancy HTPC that you just built – yet.” Foot in mouth

            Me: “Ah, well, ah I dunno honey – but soon.”Cry

            Thanks again.

          • Worst case if it isn’t

            Worst case if it isn’t available give me a call and I’ll walk you through it manually.  The issue with doing it manually is there is so much potential to cause issues since there is a LOT of variations in network equipment and knowledge level.

          • Thanks Michael, I just may

            Thanks Michael, I just may take you up on that.

            Now back to newegg…

      • Thanks.  The public driver is

        Thanks.  The public driver is not stable perhaps for bridging purposes.  When I came home today the tuner had froze.  I couldn’t ping it and had to reinstall the driver.

  • Hello,
    Sorry if this question

    Hello,

    Sorry if this question is a bit stupid, but I can’t find a way to get the beta firmware. Is there a page to sign up for the beta firmware?

    Also is your application absolutely needed to split the tuners?

    My info: 

    Firmware: 1.0.2.2

    Hardware:4790

    • Email their tech support and

      Email their tech support and ask to be included in their Beta test program.

      • phoneguyinpgh wrote:

        Email

        [quote=phoneguyinpgh]

        Email their tech support and ask to be included in their Beta test program.

        [/quote]

         

        Cool thanks!

         

        So…any ETA when that tuner sharing utility may be re-posted? Smile

  • Can this be done manually?  I

    Can this be done manually?  I have my card set up and can’t get the utility but I would love to try this.

    I follow the steps in the tutorial and get my network connection bridged.  It can be seen on PCs throughout the network but I can’t add it to WMC on the client.  Also, after I bridge on the host PC, WMC can see the tuners but I can’t get them to work. 

    I would love to set this up in a server.  I tried setting it up in a WHS Vail environment.  I can’t change the Network setting there though for some reason.  I hope that this can be made to work.  I would like to have the Ceton in the Server with the tuning adpaters out of the way and divide the tuners between two PCs.  Better yet would be to have the tuners pooled but I understand that there are issues with that right now.

    • lawguy wrote:

      Can this be

      [quote=lawguy]

      Can this be done manually?  I have my card set up and can’t get the utility but I would love to try this.

      I follow the steps in the tutorial and get my network connection bridged.  It can be seen on PCs throughout the network but I can’t add it to WMC on the client.  Also, after I bridge on the host PC, WMC can see the tuners but I can’t get them to work. 

      I would love to set this up in a server.  I tried setting it up in a WHS Vail environment.  I can’t change the Network setting there though for some reason.  I hope that this can be made to work.  I would like to have the Ceton in the Server with the tuning adpaters out of the way and divide the tuners between two PCs.  Better yet would be to have the tuners pooled but I understand that there are issues with that right now.

      [/quote]

       

      I got the same results as you after trying to set this up via the guide, but then WMC won’t see the tuner.

      I also tried to get onto the beta firmware testing program, but they are not allowing people. Said to check back in 10 days, but probably won’t for two weeks.

       

      So both the firmware and utility are not obtainable. 

  • I was able to upgrade to the

    I was able to upgrade to the beta firmware without being part of the beta program.  I just downloaded the beta firmware and installed it. 

    I don’t know if anyone plans to put the card in a server.  When I tried putting it in a Vail server, I could not change the network settings at all.  The boxes listing IP and subnet were blank.  I had no issue installing the card or the drivers though.  I hope that this will work with Vail. 

    • I ran an InfiniTV on a Vail

      I ran an InfiniTV on a Vail box for several weeks for testing.  It works w/o issue.

      Sounds like you still have Internet Explorer Ehnached Security Configuration enabled, which is what I recommend for a server product but you’ll need to add the InfiniTV diagnostics webpage to the Trusted sites security zone.

      Edit: On Vail or any server product it is very important to use a stable network card and corresponding drivers.  Windows Server product base has more aggressive networking settings by default and on lower quality network cards that can easily lead to poor network performance.  With the InfiniTV poor network performances corresponds to low signal warnings and pixelation.

      • mikinho wrote:

        I ran an

        [quote=mikinho]

        I ran an InfiniTV on a Vail box for several weeks for testing.  It works w/o issue.

        Sounds like you still have Internet Explorer Ehnached Security Configuration enabled, which is what I recommend for a server product but you’ll need to add the InfiniTV diagnostics webpage to the Trusted sites security zone.

        Edit: On Vail or any server product it is very important to use a stable network card and corresponding drivers.  Windows Server product base has more aggressive networking settings by default and on lower quality network cards that can easily lead to poor network performance.  With the InfiniTV poor network performances corresponds to low signal warnings and pixelation.

        [/quote]

         

        Great.  Thanks. 

        It is all coming together, assuming I can get sharing to work after I get the sharing utility. 

        I put my whole home network together around a year ago assuming that when the Ceton came out that bridging would not be an issue.  Then, it became an issue and the Ceton cards were backordered for so long.

        Here I am a year later.  I have the Ceton and all my connections are waiting.    So close . . .

      • mikinho wrote:

        Sounds like

        [quote=mikinho]

        Sounds like you still have Internet Explorer Ehnached Security Configuration enabled, which is what I recommend for a server product but you’ll need to add the InfiniTV diagnostics webpage to the Trusted sites security zone.

        [/quote]

         

        This worked.  I can now change network settings.  Thanks.

        • Glad I could help.  And

          Glad I could help.  And thanks for following up with the outcome, I appreciate that.

  • One additional question.  As

    One additional question.  As things now stand, it seems best to have specific tuners dedicated to specific PCs.  Will it eventually be possible to have a bank of tuners from which all the PCS draw with WMC resolving conflicts among them?  This, in my opinion, is the ideal situation. 

    • lawguy wrote:

      One additional

      [quote=lawguy]

      One additional question.  As things now stand, it seems best to have specific tuners dedicated to specific PCs.  Will it eventually be possible to have a bank of tuners from which all the PCS draw with WMC resolving conflicts among them?  This, in my opinion, is the ideal situation. 

      [/quote]HTPC nirvana, also know as softsled (vapor ware)

      http://thegreenbutton.com/forums/t/84313.aspx?PageIndex=1

      and

      http://www.missingremote.com/blog/why-softsled-shall-always-remain-myth

       

       

      • st3lvio wrote:

        lawguy

        [quote=st3lvio]

        [quote=lawguy]

        One additional question.  As things now stand, it seems best to have specific tuners dedicated to specific PCs.  Will it eventually be possible to have a bank of tuners from which all the PCS draw with WMC resolving conflicts among them?  This, in my opinion, is the ideal situation. 

        [/quote]HTPC nirvana, also know as softsled (vapor ware)

        http://thegreenbutton.com/forums/t/84313.aspx?PageIndex=1

        and

        http://www.missingremote.com/blog/why-softsled-shall-always-remain-myth

         

         

        [/quote]

         

        I think I would be happy one step short of softsled.  I could do without the shared program guide.  I would be happy if WMC just knew when a tuner was being used by another PC so it didn’t disrupt an ongoing recording. 

        Four tuners shared by several PCs go further than strictly allocating those four tuners among the PCs.  It would be rare for me to ever have more than four tuners going at one time, but I plan to use 3 PCs.  At least one of those PCs will not be used at any given time.  So anything that I allocate to that PC is wasted. 

        • Quote:

           
          I think I would be

          [quote]

           

          I think I would be happy one step short of softsled.  I could do without the shared program guide.  I would be happy if WMC just knew when a tuner was being used by another PC so it didn’t disrupt an ongoing recording. 

          Four tuners shared by several PCs go further than strictly allocating those four tuners among the PCs.  It would be rare for me to ever have more than four tuners going at one time, but I plan to use 3 PCs.  At least one of those PCs will not be used at any given time.  So anything that I allocate to that PC is wasted. 

          [/quote]

           

           

          I second that.  It would be a nice feature to have, each HTPC would just pick the next available spare.  I would think, however, that it would have to be some sort of update to WMC. 

  • I have sharing set up and

    I have sharing set up and working well on my system.  Cheers to Mikinho, both for creating the sharing utility and for writing his excellent guide on how to get things up and running. 

    I had some stability issues along the way but that has nothing to do with sharing itself.

    I have two Ceton cards set up in a Windows Home Server (Vail) box.  That box is placed out of the way in a corner of my basement.  Right now, the server streams to two client PCs.  One is connected to a TV in my den.  The other is connected to a home theater projector. 

    Mikinho’s guide is very straight forward and well written.  I will just add a few points here in case someone later gets hung up on some of the same things that I did. 

    First, when I initally set up the system and installed the cards, I enabled bridging on both cards and went on with all the later steps.  Somewhere along the way, I noticed an additional firmware upgrade and upgraded both cards.  After everything was complete nothing worked.  After what seemed to be many hours, I found out that upgrading the firmware disables bridging.   After reenabling bridging on both cards, things immediately worked as they should.  I lost many hours on this very small and obvious issue. 

    Also, I set out to get this running last Friday.  At that time, the current beta firmware was 1.0.3.1.  I struggled with stability issues when using this firmware.  Only recently, did I see that 1.0.3.1 was very short lived as a current release. 1.0.3.2 seems to be much, much better. 

    For me this project is by far the most taxing thing that I have ever done with my home network.  You really move a lot of data around.  Make sure that your underlying network is sound.  This is obvious but sharing cannot work without a good network: a good router, switches and wired connections. 

    One other thing that should be noted.  I have a hobbyist level of expertise.  So, I have a working understanding of networking but I am far from an expert.  If you are someone like me, you should probably expect that it will take some time to get things working the way you want them to work.  I mention this because this involves TV.  Your wife, girlfriend partner or child will not be very forgiving when their show does not record or when you are at work and they can’t watch the latest episode of Bridezilla.  My advice is to do a slow roll out.  Keep your old DVRs around and connected until the system is stable and everyone is trained on how it works.   

  • How did you set this up?  You

    How did you set this up?  You mention the sharing utility, but it hasn’t been up for several weeks.  I’ve been checking back numerous times a day since I was added to the Beta program on March 5th!  I’m going crazy waiting to set this up. I built another HTPC for the master bedroom with the intention of giving this a try, and now it’s been sitting there, useless, for almost 3 weeks.  Any help/advice would be greatly appreciated.

    • Something will be available

      Something will be available within 10 days.

      • That is very good news.  I

        That is very good news.  I have been waiting for the sharing utility to come back online as well, for 3 weeks.  Michael, thanks for your hard work.

      • mikinho wrote:

        Something

        [quote=mikinho]

        Something will be available within 10 days.

        [/quote]

        Just want to mention that it has been a pretty long ten days since 3/24/11 Laughing

        • WhatHappend wrote:Just want

          [quote=WhatHappend]

          Just want to mention that it has been a pretty long ten days since 3/24/11 Laughing

          [/quote]

          If you listened to the podcast something changed since then 🙂

          • mikinho wrote:

            WhatHappend

            [quote=mikinho]

            [quote=WhatHappend]

            Just want to mention that it has been a pretty long ten days since 3/24/11 Laughing

            [/quote]

            If you listened to the podcast something changed since then 🙂

            [/quote]

            Congrats on the new job!  I use Chrome and the podcast wouldn’t play so I had ignored it.  I just used IE and it played fine.

  • I’m not sure when the utility

    I’m not sure when the utility will be rereleased.  I expect it will be soon.

  • I am trying to get MCE to

    I am trying to get MCE to work in a Virtual Box on my Vail server.  When I got to the point to configure my Ceton to work in MCE, I came to this page and was very disappointed to find the config tool is not available anymore.  I have the Ceton bridged, can see the device webpage on the VM, have run the firewall script in my VM, and configured my public network containing the Ceton with Device Discovery and now I can even see the Ceton in my Network Devices list.  But MCE cannot see it and that is the only piece I need.

    As the config tool is not available and I need to get this working ASAP, can somebody give detailed steps on how to get MCE to discover the Ceton manually?  Thanks!

  • Any updates? Also, what do

    Any updates? Also, what do you think about the feasability of sharing a tuner to this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834157735&cm_re=windows_7_tablet-_-34-157-735-_-Product

    Would be cool to watch a baseball game outside on one of these over wireless N.

    • I believe the only way you

      I believe the only way you could stream live TV over wi-fi is via an extender. Tuner sharing over the network will not work over wi-fi…it has to be done on a wired connection (I believe it’s a CableLabs limitation). A way to get around this would be to set the show to record and stream the recording as it’s happening, but that’s assuming the program being recorded is tagged as “Copy Freely” by your provider. 

    • No update yet.And yes, WiFi

      No update yet.

      And yes, WiFi is feasible just not recommended.  I’ve tested using the InfiniTV as a Network Tuner over WiFi and it works but the quality varies depending on your network equipment.  I tested liveTV with a few “reasonable” WAPs (an Apple Airport Extreme, the latest NETGEAR, etc) and the extra latency was noticable in the stream quality.  Testing with enterprise level WAPs and LiveTV and I had no issues on a tablet PC over WiFi.

      The CableLabs specs does not restrict WiFi usage as long as the latency and number of hops is within spec.  I can’t remember what the spec is, I’d have to refer back to it and don’t have the time right now.

  • Guys I need help. I think my

    Guys I need help. I think my card may be toast.

    I was able to bridge and get tuners on 2 pc,s but I could not disable any tuners so the setup was unstable. So i decided to disable the bridge and use all 4 tuners on one pc. After deleting the bridge I no longer see the infinitv. I have tried recreating the bridge, resetting the infinitv, even rolled back to a previous restore point. Nothing is working. When I start the infinitv diags it tells me my drivers are current but cannot find the infinitv, Firmware level says searching. Any help would be GREATLY appreciated. When I recreate the bridge it is pingable if that helps. Also when i delete the bridge and set the infinitv to 192.168.1.200 it is pingable but thats it.

  • Guys I need help. I think my

    Guys I need help. I think my card may be toast.

    I was able to bridge and get tuners on 2 pc,s but I could not disable any tuners so the setup was unstable. So i decided to disable the bridge and use all 4 tuners on one pc. After deleting the bridge I no longer see the infinitv. I have tried recreating the bridge, resetting the infinitv, even rolled back to a previous restore point. Nothing is working. When I start the infinitv diags it tells me my drivers are current but cannot find the infinitv, Firmware level says searching. Any help would be GREATLY appreciated. When I recreate the bridge it is pingable if that helps. Also when i delete the bridge and set the infinitv to 192.168.1.200 it is pingable but thats it.

    • Have you tried the Reset

      Have you tried the Reset Network Settings function in the diag tool?

    • As Aaron suggested you’ll

      As Aaron suggested you’ll want to use the Reset Network Settings from the Ceton InfiniTV Diagnostics Tool.  They key is to first recreate the Network Bridge though.

      So

      1- Ensure your InfiniTV is bridged

      2- Run “Reset Network Settings” from Ceton InfiniTV Diagnostics Tool

      3- Unbridge

      4- Go to http://192.168.200.1/

      Let me know if that helps.

    • Can you get to the Ceton

      Can you get to the Ceton cards web interface at all wether bridged or not??

  • When I try to reset network,

    When I try to reset network, whether bridged or not, it is unsuccessful and says to contact ceton support. Also the web interface is inaccessible whether bridged or not

    • 1- When unbridged have you

      1- When unbridged have you removed any settings you may have changed?

      i.e. Static IPv4 Address

      2- Did you enable “Supports Bridging” prior to bridging?  That is needed even to use the reset functionality.

      3- When you initially setup bridging did you use a static or dhcp address for the InfiniTV?

  • In every instance I always

    In every instance I always use static. All my pcs are static, I much prefer it.

    I did not enable support bridging since I assumed once enabled it ramined so especially since I had no trouble recreating the bridge. I will try it and et you know if it matters. What scares me the most is the infinitv diagnostics not being able to see the card whether bridged or not.

     

  • Considering the utility is

    Considering the utility is unavailable and it appears that Ceton is not releasing their app any time soon, is there a way to get this working manually at least temporarily? I just want to share up to a second WMC box in my bedroom for HD channels. I realize I can buy an extender but that seems such a waste for a small amount of time. Apparently I should have downloaded the utility but I was waiting for my card to come in. Any ideas?

     

    • Not sure why but recreated

      Not sure why but recreated the bridge, disabled it, set the ceton to the default ip, still not working or seen. Then I chose DHCP for the ceton and it is now working fine and seen by the ceton diags with drivers and fw up to date.

       

      No idea what happened but I am glad it did!

      • You dont want to set the

        You dont want to set the Network IP settings from within Windows on the InfiniTV network instance, only in the Ceton InfiniTV Device Webpage.

  • It seems that things are

    It seems that things are getting close regarding the full release of this feature.  From what I understand the firmware fully supports it but the supporting application for setting up the remote PCs has yet to be released.  Does anybody have a possible release date for the final piece?  I understand that dates are subject to change.

     

    -Eugene

    • I sent a support ticket to

      I sent a support ticket to Ceton last night asking when it would go live. They responded this morning:

      “A customer support staff member has replied to your support request, #xxxxxx with the following response:

      Hi xxxx,
      We are planning an announcement to our newsletter on tuner sharing within 30 days.

      -Ceton Support”

      Still holding my breath –

  • There is a new beta firmware

    There is a new beta firmware update:

    “FW 1.0.3.4: More workarounds for tuning adapters. Improvements for tuner sharing”

    Anyone try it?  Improvements?

     

  • Any updates from anyone? I

    Any updates from anyone? I asked Ceton support about it today and they informed me that they are no longer accepting beta testers for sharing, though I’m already in the beta program (guessing there is a second beta program for sharing). They did say they will be sending out more info shortly in a newsletter. Hard for me to justify building another HTPC (just need to R2 a motherboard) if my Wife can’t watch live tv on it. Still wish I could find a guide for sharing it manually, without the use of Michael’s software.

    • I posted a easy to read guide

      I posted a easy to read guide at TGB but it didn’t make the conversion to the new Microsoft site.

      Here is a post that should be sufficent for you:

       

      From this thread: http://experts.windows.com/frms/windows_entertainment_and_connected_home/f/115/t/99492.aspx

      [quote user=”jskube84″]

       * Doing this will reset your guide so if you have a lot of modifications be sure to back them up.  It is pretty easy to mess this stuff up so please be sure you are comfortable doing this *

       On the missingremote guide follow steps 1 – 12.

       After that install the ceton drivers on the client computer.  Restart.

      After you have restarted open up the ceton diagnostic program and then select the devices tab.

      Click the clear tuner configuration button.

      Once that completes click the discovers tuner button.

      You should see your remote tuner pop up in the drop down box on the top of the diagnostic app.

      Go into WMC and configure your tuners.  Make sure you dont select tuners that are being used by other computers or you will start getting weird tuner conflict errors.  There are ways to prevent some of the ceton tuners showing up in WMC but that involves messing with the registry and it isn’t really needed.  Just make sure you remember what tuners you allocated where.

       If you are using more then one ceton then run tuner salad after you clear the tuner configuration and before you rediscover the tuners.

       Hope that helps.  

      [/quote]

  • Can tuner sharing be setup

    Can tuner sharing be setup with out this app? If so how? Or if anyone could share the app it would be nice.

     

    Thanks.

    • DMIINC wrote:
      Can tuner

      [quote=DMIINC]Can tuner sharing be setup with out this app? If so how? Or if anyone could share the app it would be nice.[/quote]

      Did you even read the comments before posting?  Just the comment before your I answered the same question. http://www.missingremote.com/guide/sharing-ceton-infinitv-tuners-client-htpc-systems#comment-34108&nbsp;

      • WhatHappend wrote:

        DMIINC

        [quote=WhatHappend]

        [quote=DMIINC]Can tuner sharing be setup with out this app? If so how? Or if anyone could share the app it would be nice.[/quote]

        Did you even read the comments before posting?  Just the comment before your I answered the same question. http://www.missingremote.com/guide/sharing-ceton-infinitv-tuners-client-htpc-systems#comment-34108&nbsp;

        [/quote]

         

        Thanks for the heads up. No did not read it. Here is why. I tried doing steps 1 – 12 in the guide. I am on WHS2011. I am stuck on unchecking Default IP Settings in web broweser. Setting will not stick no metter what I do. Then on the bottom I saw that the app has been removed so I posted. So do you have any tips in solwing the unchecking Default IP Settings in browser.

        • Add http://192.168.200.1 to

          Add http://192.168.200.1 to your “Trusted Sites” in IE.  Then refresh the page.  You should add an entry for the new IP address you’ll be assigning to the card as well.

          Charles

          • cdenny wrote:

            Add

            [quote=cdenny]

            Add http://192.168.200.1 to your “Trusted Sites” in IE.  Then refresh the page.  You should add an entry for the new IP address you’ll be assigning to the card as well.

            Charles

            [/quote]

             

            Thanks for the tip. That worked. Have set up for one of the client PCs however it does not work. It says service unavailable when I try to tune into channel. On server side it say that it had tunned into the channel but client shows nothing. Does it need to have any firewall settings adjusted for it to work? So close. Thanks for the help guys.

          • phoneguyinpgh

            I’m using Windows built in

            I’m using Windows built in firewall on my server & clients. I disabled the firewall for private networks only on all of them.

          • phoneguyinpgh wrote:

            I’m

            [quote=phoneguyinpgh]

            I’m using Windows built in firewall on my server & clients. I disabled the firewall for private networks only on all of them.

            [/quote]

             

            Did disabling built in firewall make it work or will I need something else?

             

            Thanks

          • Disabling it for private

            Disabling it for private networks made it work.  I initialy had it disabled in my bedroom but not in the living room.  The bedroom worked & the living room didn’t.  As soon as I disabled it in the livingroom it worked and has done so ever since.  I do sometimes still get the “Service Unavailable” if I try to go to live TV to quickly.  It takes MC7 about 1 min to negotiate the WMDRM, so start MC7 and wait about 1 min and then try to go to live TV.

  • where the config tool

    where the config tool …….. its  like a needle in a haystack ????????????????? freaking impossible to find!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! nice link !!!!!!!!!!

  • Mikinho’s InfiniTV Network

    Mikinho’s InfiniTV Network Tuner Config ??????????????? where????????????

  • Did anyone had issue where TA

    Did anyone had issue where TA falls a sleep. It seams like it will and you cannot do anything with it until you unplug it then replug it.

     

    Thanks for the help so far.

  • Update: Please see our new

    Update: Please see our new guide for the official Ceton Network Tuner Wizard which makes the procedure outlined in this guide much simpler and virtually fool-proof.

  • I have had the tuner sharing

    I have had the tuner sharing up and running for several weeks using the old process and manually setting up the client.  It is fairly stable but every now and then I suddenly get a “Subscription Required” message for no apparent reason.  I am thinking about running the new tool but I have some questions

     

    1. Are there any benefits to using the tool rather than the manual setup I now have?
    2. Do I have to reset everything back to the defaults before running the tool?
    3. Can I at least leave the Ceton tuner on a fixed IP (as it is now) so that it is in my local IP address range?
    • 1. You should use the tool

      1. You should use the tool because it is an officially supported scenario by Ceton. It is also much easier to use and re-configure as necessary.

      2. I recommend that you return your configuration back to the default settings before proceeding with the new tool just to play it safe. That is how the tool has been tested and is supported. That being said, you can still proceed with the new tool in your existing configuration and it should work, but you’re on your own.

      3. There is not an option in the current tool for setting a static IP address. The IP address that the InfiniTV receives from DHCP should still be in your network. You could still choose to set it manually, but if you do so, make sure that you perform the setting AFTER performing Live TV Setup.

  • Comments in this thread are

    Comments in this thread are now closed. Please leave any comments in the new thread describing the supported tool.