TiVo, Sony and others to FCC: `gateways` should replace CableCARD

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TiVo, Sony and others to FCC: `gateways` should replace CableCARD

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Looks like a fancy STB that uses IP instead of firewire to deliver content. 

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Looks like something the cable companies will fight. I don't see the benefit for them...only the benefit for third party hardware companies.

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Agreed, hopefully the cable co's won't have a choice.

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babgvant wrote:

Agreed, hopefully the cable co's won't have a choice.

Fuck them. They shouldn't at this point. We've already seen them strangle CableCard pretty much to death since it was first introduced. No way should we let them do it again to something that should be as open and easy to do as TV.

The best part of this, if I'm understanding it right, is that it looks like it's like IPTV. If so then if it's a national thing it could mean that we'd finally upgrade the nation to broadband and finally be competitive with, say, Norway.  :Smile

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I get catalogs from Crutchfield regularly and I remember seeing TV's with "CableCards" long ago.  This thing has never taken off, has it?  I don't even see it listed as a feature any more on TV's.  I'm not familiar with cable, so maybe I just overlook it.

I get tired of talk of video over internet.  It's like a small group of people getting together to talk about how well their Lamborghinis drive.  I just can't relate.  I can't see it as feasible for the majority of people because of the speeds needed for high quaility viewing.

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if you are getting your television from cable or fios, its basically already IPTV, especially when considering SDV.

the speeds/bandwidth needed is more or less the same whether its coming as an QAM feed or as an internet (~20Mbps for full ATSC, yes?). cable/fiber can give us more than enough bandwidth with the right infrastructure. its just a matter of creating incentives to nudge them towards it.

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babgvant wrote:

Agreed, hopefully the cable co's won't have a choice.

Fuck them. They shouldn't at this point. We've already seen them strangle CableCard pretty much to death since it was first introduced. No way should we let them do it again to something that should be as open and easy to do as TV.

The best part of this, if I'm understanding it right, is that it looks like it's like IPTV. If so then if it's a national thing it could mean that we'd finally upgrade the nation to broadband and finally be competitive with, say, Norway.  :Smile

I couldn't agree more.  I still think that the cable companies are only hurting themselves.  More and more people are becoming "Technology worthy" and starting to steer towards much nicer products that have more than one means of receiving entertainment.  Look at netflix, hulu, and boxee; and what they have done with the great products they have.  From my view its hurting cable TV. 

On the FCC's side of things I'm not really for our government or against it, but seriously the government really needs to step it up here and actually mandate that these companies give options that dont lock people down to using a STB and make it Known to all people, advertise it; that there are other options not just a STB.  The cable companies need to be on board with this because they are going to start loosing subscribers to Streaming video that is Free!  It only gets easier for the consumer to make a cost savings decision.

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DavidStein wrote:

if you are getting your television from cable or fios, its basically already IPTV, especially when considering SDV.

the speeds/bandwidth needed is more or less the same whether its coming as an QAM feed or as an internet (~20Mbps for full ATSC, yes?). cable/fiber can give us more than enough bandwidth with the right infrastructure. its just a matter of creating incentives to nudge them towards it.

I can't comment on what cable companies are doing.  But, I work for VZ and the standard network channels on FIOS "ARE NOT IPTV."  The only thing that is IPTV on FIOS is the Video On Demand.  The network channels and local channels wether SD or HD are all sent to every ones house all the time through the fiber using the 1550nm wavelength.  The ONT on the side of your house converts the video carrier signal from optical to RF which is then sent through the coax in your house to your STB (everything is encrypted except for the local channels, TWC and I think the Muzak channels which is why you need a STB for any package other than the bare minimum).

Since VOD, the interactive guide and payper view are the only things you would be loosing if your TV or HTPC or this gateway could tune the encrypted channels.  But VOD and pay per view are big $$ for cable companies so they won't easily give that up.

How this gateway will work I'm not entirely sure.  But it would some how have to send the decrypt info to each TV or HTPC or DVR on a channel by channel basis.
Even if it were the perfect solution the companies will fight it if it means losing any revenue at all.

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They should make it work with VOD and PPV then. 

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Just came across this article... a little off topic but none the less major networks are already feeling the squeeze.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34619571/ns/business-media_biz/

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