SPDIF and dolby digtial problems

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SPDIF and dolby digtial problems

I've got a problem with my new build. I've got a gigabyte GA-P35-DS3L board paired with an E4500 processor. I opted to go with an ATI 3850 card because I still hold hope that I'll try and game with it someday(starcraft 2?).

I have the computer hooked up via SPDIF from the motherboard to my receiver. Everything seems to be defaulting to 2channel output which is being decoded as prologic at my receiver. I have no idea if this is being caused by the 3850 or just some other nuisance problem of my motherboard. I initially ran into the problem with XP while I was waiting to get my copy of Vista, and then last night installed Vista to have essentially the same problem.

Here's where things get a little murky. The realtek software control app allows me to test DTS and DD output, and that works great. I installed powerDVD and did a quick test and was able to get DD output to my receiver. When I try to do anything in Sage, its always pro logic(even on OTA HD). I've tried all the available audio decoders without success. As a quick test I tried using the Fusion HDTV app, and initially it was prologic as well, but I was able to for passthrough SPDIF in the configuration and then it came out as DD.

I haven't found much by searching, but some people recommended snagging AC3filter and a smaller app called SPDIFer. Neither seemed to help. The computer seems to default to pro logic unless forced not to. I'm new to vista and not quite sure how to tackle this problem, although given that I am able to get DD and DTS output in some cases, I think its a decoder priority problem, but I just don't know where access those settings and what to change them to.

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I had this same problem when I first got my ATSC tuner card.  I couldn't figure out why the digital stations was not showing up as 5.1 on my receiver.  Then I tried playing movies in Sage and they were 2.0 as well.  I always knew that I never had a problem when trying to play with PowerDVD.  I was using Cyberlink's audio decoder in Sage.  I installed AC3 Filter and used it in Sage for DVD and MPEG2 play back and it fixed my problem.  Have you tried going in to AC3 Filter and choosing SPDIF output?  There's many options, and I don't think it's the default.

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First, uninstall any "extra" decoders you installed for audio.  Ensure that you have Sage set up to use AC3.  Install AC3Filter.  Go through the options and choose the ones that apply to you.  Do not change the ones that you aren't sure about without writing down what they were previously.  Also note that any changes you make in AC3Filter usually require you to shut down Sage before they'll take effect.

It's a royal pain to get this working correctly, but it will work with some effort.  I'll attempt to take some screenshots of my settings tonight since I'm using a Realtek motherboard as well.

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Thanks guys. Yeah my quick brute force attempts last night failed, and my next attempt was going to be what skirge suggested(hopefully tonight), but I didn't want to sit on it all day in case there was a clear obvious solution to this.

I really haven't installed that many filters. Just the drivers for the realtek sound, in addition to their control app(which are install with the driver exe). I installed power dvd which installs its stuff. Then did the AC3 stuff, which in all fairness was done hastily, late last night when I was getting tired, so I should do it more carefully this time.

Skirge, are you suggesting I remove the cyberlink decoders? I'm not sure how that may impact HD-DVD and Bluray playback..which I haven't tested yet.

Oh--- I got my new Xgene keyboard(its the older model that's smaller), and it rocks!! I haven't put it through the paces yet as I'm more concerned about getting my system up and running properly, but having an keyboard/mouse combo is definitely a VERY useful item. I love the gyration mouse and keyboard that I have, but this will be very convenient. I'll still keep the gyration stuff around, but it won't be needed nearly as much and I'll be able to retire my old PS2 with 10foot cable to my spare parts box finally.

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I don't think you can uninstall Cyberlink's decoders if you plan on keeping PowerDVD itsself.  PowerDVD has to use Cyberlink's decoders, right?

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for DVDs, probably not. For HD-DVD and Bluray, I really have no idea but I assume so. I'm also PO'd because the price of AnyDVDHD has jumped nearly 40% because they've changed to the Euro. Its over $100 now. Should have bought it sooner-- that's a $40 mistake.

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Skirge, are you suggesting I remove the cyberlink decoders?

As everyone else has suggested, no, don't remove those.  They should be able to coexist and I believe the others are correct that you can't remove them anyhow.  AC3Filter is such a tiny program, it's nearly impossible to mess us the installation, so I doubt you made any mistakes there.  Also, ensure that you haven't installed some huge, mega, ultra, super-duper codec pack on your system.  They're nice and easy, but can cause a lot of conflicts, even with the built-in checks most of them have.

I also read as much as I could to get it working and it didn't really help.  It truly wound up that I just needed to play with the settings until I got them right.  I'll still try to get my own settings posted tonight for you.

I do remember a couple of things about AC3Filter's settings...  don't use PCM, make sure SPDIF is selected, ensure that AC3Filter is the filter you're using for everything, try auto-detect for just about everything that has that option, and ensure that AC3Filter is displaying multi-channel audio in it's info box.  If the audio source isn't DD, then you won't see that in the receiver either.

My way to troubleshoot AC3Filter was to use MediaPlayerClassic and ensure that AC3Filter worked with it first.  I used a .mkv (Matroska) encoded file that I knew had DD and played around with that until it worked.  That took Sage's setup out of the equation.  I also found that I could make some changes in AC3Filter and they would take effect immediately in MPC.

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Here are my exact settings...

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2 x Addonics 5-in-3 bays, 13TB
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SageTV 7, Windows 7 64-bit, Foxconn G9657MA-8EKRS2H, Core2Duo E6600, Zalman CNPS7500, 2GB Corsair, 320GB, HIS ATI 4650, Antec Fusion [blog]
Tuners: 2 x HD-PVR (serial control), 2 x HDHR, USB-UIRT

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Final tab...

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Storage:
2 x Addonics 5-in-3 bays, 13TB
Client:
SageTV 7, Windows 7 64-bit, Foxconn G9657MA-8EKRS2H, Core2Duo E6600, Zalman CNPS7500, 2GB Corsair, 320GB, HIS ATI 4650, Antec Fusion [blog]
Tuners: 2 x HD-PVR (serial control), 2 x HDHR, USB-UIRT

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Thanks skirge01. I'd love to get to this tonight(maybe I will), but I'm going to be tied up putting together a presentation most of the the evening, so it may have to wait a while till I get to it(I'll be out of town this weekend too..Sad )

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Ok, I think I got it working better. Its strange because I seem to recall seeing my receiver displaying "digital" more frequently in my old  build. Currently it seems to only switch when a 5.1 signal is seen, otherwise its sent out as 2 channel and decoded pro logic. So as best as I could tell, Sage was definitely decoding some HD stuff as digital last night, but it was late so some there wasn't much HD programming to test on, and for the digital channels that weren't HD, the sound was sent 2 channel and decoded as prologic, as I suppose it should.

Thanks for the help. I am finding this switch to vista to be more involved than I anticipated. I haven't even had an opportunity to test HD-DVD or Bluray yet! This UAC stuff is crazy!

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Sorry to revive this old thread, but I'm still having an issue here, and I'm not certain what the cause is.

I've been having problems with stuttering while watching some recordings(HD) through Sage. Basically I'll see normal playback for a few minutes and then video will slow down and occasionally skip frames. While this is happening my receiver which is connected by SPDIF optical(I've tried coax too), switches back and forth on the display between dolby digital and prologic. After some period of time the video will resume normal playback and the receiver displays dolby digital. But the problem can and usually does return after some period of time. If I stop and restart playback or skip back a few seconds I'm sometimes able to get the problem portion of video to playback fine but not always.

I've also tried to playback these recordings in VLC and zoom player. If I do not select SPDIF in VLC, the recording plays back smoothly but its only recognized as prologic. If I ask it to switch to SPDIF, then it stutters and begins the digital/prologic flipping like I see in Sage, only it will never have periods when its smooth. If I try to playback in zoom, I get the same flipping and stutter all the time no matter what I've tried.

I've reinstalled my realtek drivers without success. I'm currently using AC3 filter, and my incomplete trials with selecting cyberlink in zoomplayer didn't help. While I had been thinking this was limited to just recordings, as the few movies I've watched have been fine until this weekend when I ran into issues playing Flags of our Fathers on Bluray. The symptoms were as I described in Sage where I would get periods of perfect playback interspersed with this stuttering and flipping on the receiver. I gave up on the movie before watching it, but I had the same problems in both Cyberlink and Arcsoft players. The disc was smudgy and I'm asking for a replacement from netflix.

I'm at a loss as to what to try, although I'm going to try restoring my old XP image(before the upgrade) to a spare drive I have laying around to see if this problem is limited to vista.

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Do you have another computer you can try this setup on (same software setup, just all different hardware)?  I'm thinking there's something wrong with that computer:  bad S/PDIF cable, bad drive, bad hardware... someplace.  The fact that it's happening everywhere for multiple sources leads me to believe that.

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SageTV 7, Windows 7 64-bit, Foxconn G9657MA-8EKRS2H, Core2Duo E6600, Zalman CNPS7500, 2GB Corsair, 320GB, HIS ATI 4650, Antec Fusion [blog]
Tuners: 2 x HD-PVR (serial control), 2 x HDHR, USB-UIRT

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That's not a bad idea, and yes I can give that a try. I still have my old parts that I've moved over and into a linux server. The spdif cable is the same that I used before, and last night I tried using digital coax which was hooked up to the digital out on my cablebox without a problem. The drive? the same one I used in my previous build, that wasn't upgraded except I formatted and installed vista. The hardware that could be bad is the motherboard with the onboard sound. If the CPU was bad, I would have noticed that already. The video card works fine seemingly, I think I would have noticed that too. Ram?

My thought is that its a problem with MPEG2 decoding. Aren't some early Bluray discs mpeg2? This could explain why I had a problem with flags of our fathers, and also having a problem playing back recorded HD. I have no issue with recorded content via my MVP150(analog cable), HD-DVD or DVD this far.

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Strangely, I think I've got it things a bit better. I installed that Haali codec, not knowing exactly what it does but it was the main subject of a recent thread. Whether it be that or something else, playback was smooth and clear in zoom player and DD. Thus far playback in Sage seems ok as well. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to get VLC playback smooth with SPDIF enabled. That said, I don't use VLC, so if the other two work, that all I care about.

Thanks for the help

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